I don't think his point was that he doesn't like linux because of the choice. I'd assume, through his presence here, that he likes linux.

His point, i think, was that people aren't making the conversion to Linux because there's too much choice.

Linux is not ready for the desktop job yet, because you don't need to defrag the HD, care about spywares or viruses. You also don't need to reboot _every_ time you install an application or drivers. Actually, most of my hardware never needed single driver: scanner, sound card, palm, joypad/stick. It was just a matter to load the correct module (even though, depending of the distro, not even to do that I had to).

Some distros as Debian and Debian-based has such a great tool to install software, for example: apt-get install gaim. That's it. Installing ICQ on Windows is like: opening a webbrowser, downloading the ICQ, double-click on it, reboot, open up a heavy application bloated with crap you never use, even banners and that's it

There you see how much Linux sucks. When we finally have only one desktop, only one way of installing things, viruses and spyware everywhere and you can do everything with a mouse, then it will be ready for the desktop.

First we brake it, then we can use it. You newbies are brilliant... I love my motorcycle. I can drive through cars under heavy traffic, I don't waste the same amount of cash with gas, but it can't carry five peoples and I have to keep balance when I'm driving it. When it's raining it sucks too, because I get all wet and stuff. Maybe if I add two extra wheels to it, extra sits and a roof.... then it will be as easy to drive as a car .

Oh, and I want my tea to taste more like coffee too, because I can't stand tea, but love coffee. The problem is, I want to drink tea because I found coffee to be to dark, so please, could somebody make my tea to taste more like coffee? Thanks!

I am a bit of a linux nwebie, but i have much computer knowledge. i am very comfortable with msdos and i have used most windows releases. i also have experience with macos. my experience with avegage users in wonder at how incredibly dumb they are. as far as my experience with linux, i tried mandrake a few years ago and hated it. it was my first try, i used a 99' mainboard and post 00' cards. why was it doing so poorly? i found out later that it may have had to do with installing packages. there where quite a few arrors when i tried it.

i went on to xp later, found it incredible strainge. the file directory structure seemed more suseptable to viruses in comparison to 9x, but i can't remember, i did dislike the interface. but what about ME, i had the most trouble in ME and just tried it, might as well break the disk. i just moved to fedora core 4, i like the interface of windows, but there are many things i don't like. most especially i don't like the direction MS has taken. SP@ was a dead end for me. i'd have a few months of nix experience but i needed to wait for ndiswrapper to support WMP11v4. finally it happened. i am so glad, gnome is more intuitive than xp. links act more like pointers in c++, they even die when the file is no longer. i am not an exteremly advanced programmer or user, i know very little abvout servers. where am i at? somewhere in between. my friends think i am a computer genius, but i know it is really impossible. you can master a part, but there are so many things, so many levels you can'tmaster them all in a millenia.

i like my fedora box hundreds of times more than i ever did windows. bash is much nicer and easier to use than batch. you can move around from where you are, launch programs from terminal and you have so much more power of the backend. in windows i know of no way to network other than a plain wizard and then if it doen'y work you're done.

no linux is not ready for idiots who don't use thier brains. i use mine much more than many around me, and i am always surprized at what stupid simple things they didn't notice or couldn't figure out. linux if for people who feel like they want to know something and like so know what is going on. i already have a better idea of the underbelly of my fedora box than i ever did in all my years with windows. although i do agree that having things work is nice, but i also know that a computer is only one representation that doesn't always work out every time. (i think we all do)

so no nix is not right for stupid people who don't care, let them run with thier viruses etc. i want my os to be usable.

Nuklear Zelph

Let's not feed the troll.

Mega Man X is right! We should all accept the viruses, spyware, BSOD, crashes, etc.. No mater that most of the web is stored on Apache servers....

Freedom is freedom to, not freedom from.

If you'd like someone to think for you, there are other places for you to go!

Would you be happier if Linus had sold his kernel, or formed a corporation?

A wise man once said, "Don't look a gift horse in the mouth"

??? i didn't read the whole forum, but a good share from the top, did i screw up or are you pointing to something else?

i was just saying i was very glad to have linux around. i hope i didn't make a bad move somewhere.

datatab1,

You are not the troll I was referring to. My post was...late.

Welcome to LQ!

He was referring to me :'(

Which is one of the many reasons that we do have this
amazing quote-feature ;} That makes is quite clear who
is being talked to :)


Cheers,
Tink

HEHEHE! You know better than that!

See Tink, I can use the quotes!

I hate to admit it, but the troll I was referring to was t-i-d; I think the window I used for that post was open for a whole day prior to me posting! Mea Culpa!

ok, i see. i'll keep that in mind for the future.

i rarely use forums and such, but i just learned something.

Nuklear Zelph

I find your post very close to my Linux encounters until I tried Mepis Linux. I tried red hat , turbolinux, slack, ect... years ago when RHAT (1997) went public and I thought it was very bad I couldn't get anything to work right. Last year I decided to give linux another try because I didn't want to keep paying bill for software upgrades. I tried fedora core 2 and liked it but still not converted, I tried and tried looking distrowatch daily for new distros Mepis is the one that booted and worked like a live cd should 4 minutes after the cd was put in the tray I had a live working system and I clicked on the install me icon on the desktop and 10 minutes later it was installed on my HDD it figured everything out for me. If I had wanted to dual boot it would have taken me about another 5 minutes to part the drive using QtParted. I have built a lot of systems for friends and family over the last decade and I have never had a windows install go as fast or as smooth as Mepis linux did. Then again I use the GEFORCE (NVIDIA).

All that aside you are correct if the hardware is not supported it's kinda hard to get a system running right. Fedora core 2 almost made me give up again.

I'm sorry, I meant to be sarcastic. I get frustrated with people who refuse to learn, but insist on complaining

Granted, I've not read through this entire thread at this point, but I would like to point out what I perceive to be a HUGE error in logic, made in the above statement (and not for the first time in this thread - so don't think I'm picking on one person).

You will note the bolded section of the quote, which is the cause of my concern to how users (of any OS) think. It is not the manufacturer's fault that we don't have Linux support for their hardware. They didn't come to my house and install their hardware in my computer while I was away at work or on holiday. I purchased their product and I installed it. It is not the manufacturer's fault that their hardware doesn't work in my OS - it is mine. I am the one who purchased hardware that was designed to run under another OS, with Linux support tacked on after the fact (trying to pander to the "geek" crowd).



To make this point, I submit the following analogy. I need a new vehicle. I go out and find a vehicle which claims to meet all of my needs, and inexpensively at that. So I purchase this vehicle and take it home to use it, knowing that it will work as advertised by the manufacturer. After a few weeks, I decide I prefer the look and feel of 16" wheels to the 14" wheels provided by the manufacturer - so I purchase and install the wheels of my preference. Then I read an article about how I can have a smoother ride by changing out the shock absorbers. And, for a little added traction, I put in some added weight.

Of course, this decreases my gas mileage well below the advertised mileage. So, since I know E85 is cheaper (or should be) and more ecologically sound, I try running my newly upgraded car on this fuel only to find that nothing is working quite as "seamless" as the original car configuration. Even though the original configuration, and original fuel, didn't work at optimum - it got me to work, home and my holiday destinations. Sure it required some preventive maintenance and some major repairs from time-to-time, but it worked for what I wanted it to do.

If I had wanted to have the smooth ride, with the nice-looking wheels, less maintenance, fewer repairs, and ecologically-sound fuel (and I know this is arguable, but it's to make a point), I should have purchased a vehicle that had those features - and I should have been willing to pay the price for those features.

I have no idea what things are like in other countries (such as U.K.), but here in the mid-West it is very cheap to purchase a "dummied-down" PC from Dell or HP for use with Windows, as it is pre-installed. And this is good for people who want to surf the web and play solitaire - under Windows. But, if you want a Linux computer, well, then you should buy/build a Linux computer. Do a little research (like asking people on LQ) to find the proper hardware, with solid Linux support, and the right distro, with the features and apps you need. But please, PLEASE don't purchase a computer with hardware that was designed for Windows (not compatible with - designed for) and complain because the Linux community hasn't found a way to be Micro$oft compliant with your hardware. To be as plain as I can be, I truly hope that Linux never becomes that - Micro$oft compatible. And I hope that it never gets to the point that Linux is plug-and-pray. One of my top complaints about Windows is that I, like most users, am never quite certain of what is running on my box. Sure, I can open process monitors and the like, but I really don't know what's running in each instance of "svchost" as well as a host (not-funny pun intended) of other processes I have to spend hours (sound familiar?) deciphering. And I don't know what's running that is hidden behind $SYS$ that I can't see. (Thank you, Sony.)

Yes, I'd like the manufacturer's to provide me with Linux-compatible drivers. And support for my Linux OS. And I fully intend to (and this is the main point, if you get nothing else out of this) SPEND MY MONEY with manufacturers who do. I sincerely believe it will not be as cheap (and I do mean cheap) as purchasing Windows-based hardware, but it is my choice to do this correctly. And to do that, I will vote (we do that here in America) with my dollars.

IMHO.

I work on the move and need/use a laptop, who builds their own laptop? Which laptop fully supports Linux? None of them AFAIK. When one that meets my needs does, then for me Linux will be ready for the/my desktop.