What i meant was that Apple will use Linux in their os instead of Darwin. At least i believe so.

I doubt that Apple will use Linux for the base of their OS in the near future because part, but not all, of their user base likes/needs simplicity in their computing environment, and currently Linux is a little too unpolished for that.

its a kernel!!!!!!!!

if you ever worked with Assembly (even something simple like displaying a text message, or drawing to the graphical screen (doesn't matter how much, a single pixel for all i care)) then you'd know how "unpolished" it is, compared to the system the kernel is very simple, and the user would never even need to work with the kernel, so that cant be it

What exactly are you trying to say?
I thought kernel was implied.
I know Linux is only the kernel, but a kernel is an integral part of the OS.

there all different to me, this isnt a question of friend, foe etc. Apple and Microsoft are in it for business purposes first IMO. M$ just played harder, and went out to crush the competition like alot of business do. Gates wanted to dominate the market and he did and for that reason we all cant stand him...LOL! But remember he was once a nerd to but eventually bought into the darkside like Darth Vader

apple suck and steve jobbs is the root of all evil, all the apple hardware and software is based on other peoples work such as the g5(ibm) osx(freebsd) and office, apple is a clone in disguise

Are you trying to start a flame? What you posted here isn't exactly accurate or fair, and in the light of what M$ has always been, a bit ridiculous

That's agreed. I'm trying to be as bipartisan as possible, but so far in computer history, Apple has been the innovator. Apple created the world's first desktop GUI, and that's only one. How can you call Steve Jobs the root of all evil? Do you know the man that well?

I thought so!

(And to think, all this coming from a non-Mac owner/user (except for an old System 7.5 Performa))

Hi,

Totally agree with apache363, Mac was the first to have a GUI while the rest of us, either msdos or linux users only had command line console, and Mac is awesome at graphic design, nice pipeline design, nice code execution regardless of the environment conditions, nice user-friendly system response

So calling Steve Jobs 'the root of all evil' and saying Apple sucks seems a bit 'inmature' for me, at least for me (no flaming intended)

Julio

P.D. BTW, I said Apple must consider Linux as an alternative, just in case their sales fall at a critical rate... the big problem with Apple has been always the same... they want to be the only one in the market... and currently they're the only one in... their market segment

Mac was the first PC to have a GUI - but they got the idea from the folks at Xerox PARC. IIRC the first GUI demo with a "mouse" was back in 1971 (?)

Lets tone it down some please. These are the types of comments that start flame wars and thread closures. Also this has nothing to do directly with the thread topic, so move on if you have nothing else constructive to say.


And for the record:
And everyone basically stole the GUI from Xerox.. in which Apple got first and then M$ took from them.. and so on.. etc.

And IBM has contracts with many companies, as they have the resources and technology that some don't have. Its called partnerships, how you run businesses and cut costs, etc.

IBM designs chips for PS2/Sony and many other companies, so if you going to start negative comments about one company, with false statements, you'll need to do a lot of research to talk trash about every company that does the same thing.

The list goes on and on... so lets move on with the actual topic or your going to ruin this thread for everyone and prompt a mod to have it closed.

Regards.

I consider Apple Computer and free/open-source software to be friends with benefits.

That's how I see it too. Linux is like the OS X for x86/Athlon and it's making real strides today -- I just read that the governments of Korea Japan and China are working their own distro!

witeshark: Also, Linux can be easily configured to look like OS X. I did that with my machine. (should have screenshot soon)

Apple is evil because they did what we BSD users encourage? BSD is about sharing innovations and coding for the good of all. Anyone can take our source and use it for whatever use they want, no strings attached. In my opinion this makes the BSD license vastly superior to GPL since i dont believe that proprietary software is the devil and does not have a place in this world. Call me crazy but i dont see eye to eye with the Stallman cult.

Secondly Apple runs on IBM chips(PowerPC) which uses a MIPS architecture. You will find this architecture in your Playstation, most VCR and in many embedded systems.

Thirdly Apple will never use the Linux kernel. A kernel transplant is not the simple thing some of the above posters have foolishly suggested. Being a programmer i cant even begin to try to tell you how long this would take.

Lastly Apple is not in competition with Linux. Do you want to know why? Because Apple makes user friendly operating system that your Grandmother can use and install onto her mac if she had to. Think of it being as user friendly as Microsoft(it is). Pop in the cd and it will autoload and kick you into a splashy install screen etc... Apple has Internet Explorer, Microsoft Office, Photoshop and PowerPoint. Apple is perfect for a user friendly desktop. You dont need to recompile your kernel, install from source compile in drivers for that new card etc... Apple is fool proof and built for the computer illiterate but still gives you the power of a console with a BSD underpinning.

PS: The statistics about the market share of Apple vs Linux are misleading at best since Apple aims for the desktop market and graphics artists. Linux's 4% is mostly made up in the server market. Seeing as google on there own run 100,000 racks running linux, is that a fair comparison?