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they had bows and arrows - we had guns - game over
So, the fact that someone allegedly has superior weapons give them the right to kill other people and take their land. Justice and moral don't count at all. Brilliant.
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When a country is being victimized, who is first on the list to help ?
The quote you posted -- which you clearly endorse -- justifies victimizing another country or people and a few lines below you talk about the US helping countries countries that are being victimized, so you're contradicting yourself.
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When America is hit by storms, etc, which other countries have sent help ?
The list is very short.
Do you have the list? I'd like to have a look at it.
Thank you for establishing how I should evaluate your contributions in the future.
If the "whiners in countries that would be speaking German if we didn't help them out" was an oh-so-original dig at the French, btw, then let me remind you that they backed your revolution, and that without their help you would not even have a country today.
So, the fact that someone allegedly has superior weapons give them the right to kill other people and take their land. Justice and moral don't count at all. Brilliant.
Dave posted that, not me. Re-read my post.
The quote you posted -- which you clearly endorse -- justifies victimizing another country or people and a few lines below you talk about the US helping countries countries that are being victimized, so you're contradicting yourself.
Dugan already explained this, but I didn't say you posted that; I said you endorse the quote you posted. Re-read my post .
Yeah, when you quote someone else to make your argument and then try to use "I didn't say that" as a get-out-of-jail-free card, it's really disingenuous.
Yeah, when you quote someone else to make your argument and then try to use "I didn't say that" as a get-out-of-jail-free card, it's really disingenuous.
Yes, I guess some people just don't like to assume the responsibility for what they say or imply.
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I would like your take on these points
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I too get tired of the "Let's pick on America" crap.
Why when the US picks on others and it seems to be ok.
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It's somewhat funny that most of the whiners live in countries who would be speaking German, Japanese,etc if the Americans had not come to their aid in WW2.
Have you ever heard of the "Brisbane Line" the "Battle of Brisbane" and the "Battle of Manners Street". What about New Zealand's nuclear-free zone where the US tried to force New Zealand to accept ships that were either nuclear powered or capable of firing nuclear weapons into it sovereign territory and because NZ stood up for itself your country pulled out of the ANZUS treaty? The only reason the US forces come to Australia during WW2 was because you had your butts kicked in the Philippines, Macarthur wanted to let teh Japanese have everything north of Brisbane and Perth if they made landfall. The idea of capitulation is not helpful at all when its not your country you are giving up to the enemy.
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When a country is being victimized, who is first on the list to help ?
What exactly did you do for Rwanda when the crap was hitting the fan? What exactly did you do for the people who died during the first 2 years of WW2? What about Tibet what have you done for it and what are you doing for it since China annexed it? What exactly are you doing for the Tatars in Crimea (now annexed by Russia) who are being victimised simply because they are Tatar and not ethnic Russians? What did the US do for East Timor in 1975 when Indonesia invaded? What did the US do for Vietnam when Ho Chi Min asked for help?
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But they will not bring that up.
I did and now I am waiting for your reply.
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When America is hit by storms, etc, which other countries have sent help ?
Australian and New Zealand firefighters go to places like California every year and help the local fire fighters with the firestorms they get there. How many of your guys come when we had Cyclone Tracy? None. How many of your guys come when we had Cyclones in Queensland over the last 10 years? None. How many of your guys come here and help us fight our summer fire storms? 3 and they fly the cranes we hire from you, other than that the answer is none.
Lets move further with this. When the boxing day tsunami hit how come a country (the USA) with 300+ million people only sent $350 Million and very few people to help with the clean up when countries likeAustralia with 23 million people sent hundreds of people and over $300 million. Why did the US only start with $35 million and eventually give the rest under pressure from other countries.
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The list is very short.
Your memory is shorter than the list you speak of.
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Outta here,
You are still posting even though you said "outta here".
I doubt you are ignorant but at times we all generalise. You haven't done anything that deserves a rap over the knuckles.
Actually in that particular case, regarding people indigenous to Australia, I was and am still ignorant, but now I am a little less ignorant on this subject than I was thanks to the points you made. Ignorance is not the antithesis of intelligence. Not being able to recognize or admit ignorance tends to lock one in that state. I choose to continue to grow. It's a never ending process but one I think well worth the investment.
Cheers and greetz from the other side of the planet.
I never meant to offend anyone and I am sorry my post did so.
Hopefully and historically this forum is a friendly place so don't take the comments as an effort to offend or denigrate you personally. Most simply wish to display the error of such "thinking" so that all can see, not just Americans, that most countries are populated by good and helpful people that prefer to "do the right thing", but individually and as a Nation we sometimes fall short in that. When we do that, people will be offended whether we explicitly "meant to offend" or not. For individuals it is rather important to not fall into the trap of "My country, right or wrong". It is equally important to recognize that that the view is different from a distance, and it is far too easy to dump on one's neighbors by not fully understanding their situation and what you would choose to do if you were "in their shoes".
I'm actually glad you started this thread because until such legacy thinking and prejudice is out in the open, it can not be improved and get's stuck in the same old knee jerk reactions.
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