BBC Article: "Coronation: Public asked to swear allegiance to King Charles"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65435426

"People watching the Coronation will be invited to join a "chorus of millions" to swear allegiance to the King and his heirs, organisers say. "

The Nazis were also asked or required to swear oaths of allegiance. Compare with:

Wikipedia articles

"Hitler Oath" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler_Oath

"Oaths To Hitler" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oaths_to_Hitler

I wonder if the wording will be similar.

He may be 'King' by 'right of birth', but to me, he's just another rich bugger, that hasn't got a clue about how people have to go about (live) 'real life'.

Have a duckduckgo for "children on food support in united kingdom"...

Here's an example https://www.ibtimes.com/uk-children-...harity-3689063

Great, Britain... just great...


On the other hand... https://www.theregister.com/2023/04/...gov_taskforce/

Do grow up! No one is being required to swear any kind of oath unless they are peers of the realm: dukes, earls, barons and so forth.

At the last coronation, all these people knelt in turn and took the oath of allegiance separately. It took a very long time and the poor little queen had to sit through it all with that heavy gold crown on her head! She managed it because she was young and had plenty of stamina. Charles is old and doddery (though nothing like as old and doddery as Joe Biden) and they don't want him to drop dead halfway through the coronation, so apparently only William will have to kneel and swear. They've allowed the other peers to recite the oath together after that.

Then someone had the bright idea of allowing the audience in the Abbey (and anyone else who wants) to recite it along with the peers. To make them feel included, I suppose. No one has to recite it and I shall certainly not be doing so. To compare it with nazism is ridiculous (and also very offensive to those who, like me, lost family in the holocaust).

Actually the nearest equivalent I can think of is all those Americal schoolchildren having to take the Oath of Allegiance to the flag every day, hand on heart. Now that strikes me (and most English people) as seriously creepy.

Actually, JWs refused to do either. They refused to say the 'Heil Hitler' greeting, and refused to salute the flag & swear allegiance (or whatever) in the U.S.

They were treated roughly in both countries, but won an exemption in the United States at our second Supreme Court appeal. It was bad in Germany, because men refused conscription and were beheaded. But it wasn't as bad for JWs as the Jews. They were sent to concentration camps but often given work outside the camp. They were warned "If you don't come back, we'll shoot ten Witnesses for every one of you." That brought them back reliably, so they were used by Nazi officers as servants, decorators, labourers, etc.

This kind of non-argument is just as silly the "Hitler was vegetarian therefore eating vegetables is bad" sort of nonsense.

I believe he also liked dogs. As a righteous individual, I consider myself obliged to be a cat person.

By the way, American schoolchildren are asked to pledge allegiance to the flag every morning. I'm waiting in anticipation for the OP to make a Hitlerjugend comparison.

Godwin's Law

I'm not particularly fond of the new monarch; he seems a bit stuffy. Invoking Godwin is a bit over the top.

When I was in high school in Virginia, USA we were required to stand and both pledge allegiance to the flag and recite the Lord's prayer in unison every morning. I would stand but I remained silent during the Lord's prayer and I would not repeat the phrase "under God" in the pledge of of allegiance. As an adult I later regretted that I did not have the maturity to formally request that I be excused from the daily ceremony.

Two months after I graduated from high school (grade 12) the Supreme Court of the United States ruled that forced reciting of the Lord's prayer in a public school violated the USA constitution's required separation of church and state. I think that the pledge of allegiance still has "one nation under God" in it. A few months ago I asked a Virginia high school kid if they still had to recite the pledge of allegiance and he replied, "every day".

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/royals...-slim-29843051
https://dnyuz.com/2023/04/30/many-in...eave-it-shrug/

I don't feel obliged to swear allegiance to the king. It would seem more appropriate if he swore allegiance to us, the people of UK.

Lords have required their subjects, if not only the high ranking members, to swear allegiance for centuries.

In this case, it's tradition, that's all it is. Part of the show. They aren't coming around and holding the point of a sword to your neck and saying "swear or die," as would have happened in the past.

We really don't need to make every gesture or idea evil.

The British Monarch oaths predate the Nazi by nearly 1000 years and have been bidirectional for over .. what, nearly 500? Someone is yanking chains!

He does. That's an essential part of the coronation ceremony. The monarch has to swear on the Bible to protect us and our liberties. To be exact, he must declare that he will rule according to the laws agreed in parliament, and cause law, justice and mercy to be executed in his realm.

Check out this live footage of those poor, oppressed people: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IntHHGXTfEc