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Old 07-25-2007, 08:45 PM   #1
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UFOs over England


I know the world is enthralled by Lindsay Lohan, but not even a single mention of this on the news:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...n_page_id=1770

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A crowd of 100 stunned stargazers brought a town centre to a standstill when five mysterious UFOs were spotted hovering in the sky.

Drinkers spilled out of pubs, motorists stopped to gawk and camera phones were aimed upwards as the five orbs, in a seeming formation, hovered above Stratford-Upon-Avon for half an hour.

The unidentified flying objects lit up the otherwise clear night sky above Shakespeare's birthplace in Warwickshire on Saturday.
FWIW, not all governments are as secretive as the US and England. The Mexican military has been much more forthcoming:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/science...ico-ufos_x.htm

It's important to note that these objects weren't visible to the naked eye. They could only be seen using the plane's FLIR (forward-looking infrared.)

So fire away with the ridicule, I can take it.
 
Old 07-25-2007, 10:37 PM   #2
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I'll humor you. Consider yourself ridiculed.
 
Old 07-26-2007, 07:31 AM   #3
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Dang, I was hoping for more than that. I had already prepared a statement that to deny the existence of UFOs is to claim you know of everything in heaven and on Earth. Oh well...
 
Old 07-26-2007, 07:52 AM   #4
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I was also kind of expecting some backlash to the Lindsay Lohan comment... if she's proved anything it's that alcohol is the ultimate gateway drug.
 
Old 07-26-2007, 11:02 AM   #5
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I don't mean to get off topic a bit, but I could care less about Lohan. I hate celebrities. If you have money, you pretty much can get away with anything, even murder, *cough* *OJ* *cough*. I wish I was a celebrity too, then I could act like a spoiled brat/jerk and do drugs, and stuff like that.

As far as the UFOS, you didn't see anything, just some swamp gas. Now if you will kindly look the other way while I put this cloth of chloroform over your mouth,
 
Old 07-26-2007, 11:35 AM   #6
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well, in my opinion, trying to be objective (I don't believe there are any UFOs around, but my spaceship :-)),
If, as I think, the only way that any other civilization has to reach our planet is travelling faster that speed of light, then,
if they can do it, they should be able to hide themselves from us.
 
Old 07-26-2007, 12:19 PM   #7
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I don't mean to get off topic a bit, but I could care less about Lohan.
I only care about Lohan if I've got some chloroform on me ;P
 
Old 07-26-2007, 12:47 PM   #8
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FWIW
Sorry, not familiar with this one yet - what does it stand for? Fire, While I'm White?

"weren't visible to the naked eye" means it's a made-up story - unless somebody happens to have a jet home, with an infrared camera or something to prove it? One of the most important parts of any scientific results, including proving something new, is that the results must be able to be repeated by anyone. In case of UFOs, it would mean any single person from the public should be able to confirm there are UFOs, or if it's not possible ("We can see them and confirm that, but you can't because we don't let you/don't want you to."), there is no reason to believe so. Since there is no single UFO-finding that anyone could "repeat", there is no reason to believe any one of them is actually real. Probabilities say there are no UFOs until somebody can create bullet-proof evidence that doesn't depend on the creator. Of course I used the word "UFO" wrong here, it merely means an unidentified flying object, which could be a frisbee somebody threw too high. Or a bird with a folio-packed stolen sandwhich.

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If, as I think, the only way that any other civilization has to reach our planet is travelling faster that speed of light, then,
if they can do it, they should be able to hide themselves from us.
Good point. If there was any life too far from us to ever come into contact, it doesn't simply matter. If it was closer, it's still highly unprobable to bump into. Even if we did, there is no guarantee that we'll understand or detect it, and if we did, it still didn't mean it's anything we would expect. Maybe it's just simple bacteria, which is very probable (Mars could have had bacteria, and still have, but it's already contaminated by trash from Earth that wasn't cleaned well enough, so any findings are probable to be from here - and it's fully possible that that bacteria originally came to Earth from another close planet like Mars), or wise enough to get the hell out of here. In 10 years we'll start a "world war" again, and I wouldn't want to see that nuclear bomb fighting either, not to mention all the new deathmachines invented after WW2 - so why would any "intelligent" other form of life?

Aliens are something you should have as a trilogy (fourth was so bad that it should be forgotten) in your video shelf. The rest is booze, drugs, press, accident or a feint

EDIT: to aizkorri: Speeds faster than the speed of light are possible and not even rare. The speed of light is the fastest speed with which information can be transferred, as understood by nowadays physics, but speeds higher than that value - exactly 299792458m/s - are not impossible (they just don't carry information). One example are electromagnetic waves: a signal (like a radio wave) is usually said to be an electromagnetic wave, but actually it means the signal transfers as a package of several waves. Those individual waves can transfer way faster than 299792458m/s (in a vacuum; it can be confirmed in several ways, one of the easiest is mathematical), but the package that they form, which actually transfers the information of the wave, can only move as fast or slower than the speed of light. Somebody now thinks, "how about if a single wave was used to transfer the information?" but it's a fact that any information that transfers as waves - no matter how produced - consists of a package of waves, not of a single wave. Any physics book shows you easily why you can't use infinite single waves to transfer daily information such as your favourite radio show; information consists of finite packages of waves (in case waves are the form used). Long story, short idea: fast waves (speed greater than that of light) combine and produce a slow package of waves that transfers information. Following this idea, travelling faster than light is not possible because it involves transferring information from one place to another (your cells for example), which leads to the thing I explained. Thank you for reading (I doubt you didn't).

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Old 07-26-2007, 02:52 PM   #9
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Repo Man

There are no such thing as interstellar spacecraft. The whole UFO phenomena was explained quite well in the movie "Repo Man":

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Originally Posted by Miller
A lot of people don't realize what is really going on. They view life as a bunch of unconnected incidents and things. They don't realize there's a lattice of coincidence that lays on top of everything.

Give you an example, Suppose you're thinking about a plate of shrimp. Suddenly someone will say, "Plate" or "Shrimp" or "Plate of shrimp", out of the blue. No explanation and there's no point in looking for one either. It's all part of the cosmic unconsciousness.

You know the way everybody is into weirdness right now? Books in all the supermarkets about the Bermuda Triangle, UFO's, how the Mayans invented television, that kind of thing. Well the way I see it it's exactly the same. There aint no difference between a flying saucer or a time machine.

People get so hung up on specifics, they miss out on seeing the whole thing. Take South America for example. Every year in South America thousands of people turn up missing. Nobody knows where they go. They just disappear. But if you think for a minute, realize something, there had to be a time when there was no people right? Well where did all these people come from? I'll tell you where, the future. Where did all these people disappear to, the past. How did they get there? Flying saucers, which are really, yeah you got it, time machines.

I Think a lot about this kind of stuff. I do my best thinking on the bus. That's how come I don't drive. See I don't want to know how. I don't want to learn. The more you drive, the less intelligent you are.
 
Old 07-26-2007, 03:11 PM   #10
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they have been loaded up into trucks and sent to far enough distant towns or cities and instantly be converted to looters cum rioters ... but i'm not sure how people keep coming back ...


//btw ... ufo , bermuda and mayans are a lot easier to explain away and be solved than anything else concrete ...


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Old 07-26-2007, 04:00 PM   #11
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Crito,

Perhaps it was one of these: http://crave.cnet.com/8301-1_105-974...?tag=cnetfd.mt
 
Old 07-26-2007, 04:36 PM   #12
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I do not think that there are UFOs.One must be out of his mind to believe in such things...
 
Old 07-26-2007, 05:29 PM   #13
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To all those skeptics who refuse to believe in UFOs, what do you think happened to Elvis!? Guess three times.... yep, he got abducted by them aliens. And I can know cos I saw him when they took me. Did nothing weird or anything, but seeing I'm so smart and all, they figured I was the right person to ask for some advise on some intergalactic issue. You see them aliens ran out of gas on their home planet and were asking for directions to the nearest gas station. They must of taken a wrong turn somewhere and ended up in england. The idiots... and I soooo told them to take a LEFT when they hit Amsterdam... shish, and they wonder why them are nearly extinct
 
Old 07-26-2007, 05:40 PM   #14
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Old 07-26-2007, 05:57 PM   #15
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Elvis is not dead, he just went home. He should come back. I wish Michael Jackson would go already!
 
  


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