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@jiml8 - it is almost an unwritten law that the world will follow the US no matter where it leads them. Yes, you can postpone the problem for now but sooner or later it would be right back in your face.
Just my thoughts.
*shrug* I don't have much to say on this thread. For years I've described US society as insane and I mean it literally. I've concluded that the reason is most probably because of the hugely successful push by the pharmaceutical companies to drug the entire population with psychotropic substances. If that isn't THE reason, it is a big component of the overall reason.
What? You mean all this is the result of LEGAL lobbying by big-pharma effectively buying off our politicians?
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Beyond that, societies age. And the US has, I think, and advanced case of institutional hardening of the arteries. Wall Street and Capitol Hill are becoming indistinguishable, the government is turning fascist before our very eyes as corporate policy becomes government policy and as ownership of major corporations becomes more and more entwined with government. This current "tax bill" is a case in point; we get the worst of everything out of it as structured, but Wall Street is partying and giving out bonuses. Of course.
But but but, I thought this was how a capitalist system was supposed to be. The corporations are supposed to be allowed such freedom and ability to buy off the government, and blur the line between the corporations and government.
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The last elections were the first serious rumblings from the US population about the problem, the very beginning of the civil strife that is coming. But that election didn't go nearly far enough. The tea party made progress, but efforts are well underway to co-opt the tea party victors already, and too many of the congressional bad guys were returned to office.
Noooooo, say it isn't so! You mean to tell me the Republicans have successfully infiltrated the Tea Party movement? Oh dear gosh no!
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What America needs to do is stop taking drugs. Literally, stop drinking the kool-aid.
Doesn't that mean that they should STOP listening to the mainstream media, particularly *cough* fox?
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Then, we need to break up the financial oligarchy in this country
That sounds like a terroristic threat to me, I'm going to go and do my civic duty and report you to the authorities. How dare you criticise this country, it is the most free most democratic country ever!
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Me, I'll leave. Preparations are made. Most of my money has left the country, and at the right time I'll follow.
Now that you have just announced that, don't be surprised when you are asked to hand in your passport now, and will be denied a way out. Perhaps you might consider sneaking OUT of the country now via Mexico.. Ironic huh? The very same way the illegals came into this country, is now going to be the only way out...
@jiml8 - it is almost an unwritten law that the world will follow the US no matter where it leads them. Yes, you can postpone the problem for now but sooner or later it would be right back in your face.
Just my thoughts.
You are probably right. Unfortunately, I lack to capacity to leave the Earth and live. So I'll just do the best I can.
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Breaking up financial oligarchy sounds like a terrorist threat?!?!?!
I think you should read something that describes in details about some countries like Iraq, Afganistan, Russia maybe half of the world and then perhaps you can understand what terror is about.
The monetary system is not going to break overnight and then even if it does you atleast have something to eat. In some places on earth half of the population goes to sleep on an empty or half filled stomach. It is not because people are lazy - just some stupid a** clown who did not have the brains or the will to understand that money does not make a country strong - people do.
When a gang of people gather to kill you or do you harm because you are from a different religon or caste that is terrorism, when someone steals your money it is robbery but when someone is complaining about a system that he feels is not what he expects he is just expecting a change - perhaps for the better.
I am not taking sides. I am just stating my opionions.
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Breaking up financial oligarchy sounds like a terrorist threat?!?!?!
I think you should read something that describes in details about some countries like Iraq, Afganistan, Russia maybe half of the world and then perhaps you can understand what terror is about.
The monetary system is not going to break overnight and then even if it does you atleast have something to eat. In some places on earth half of the population goes to sleep on an empty or half filled stomach. It is not because people are lazy - just some stupid a** clown who did not have the brains or the will to understand that money does not make a country strong - people do.
When a gang of people gather to kill you or do you harm because you are from a different religon or caste that is terrorism, when someone steals your money it is robbery but when someone is complaining about a system that he feels is not what he expects he is just expecting a change - perhaps for the better.
I am not taking sides. I am just stating my opionions.
Are they not closing the doors when the horses have run out? This entire thing looks stupid. Someone would always be able to mess around the security. These are just people with limited knowledge (but the backing of the law) and I always believe in the creativity of a man who sits down and _decides_ to resolve the problem. No government is capable of stopping a guy like that.
You bet...
A guy with brains, and with time can do awesome wonders ...
Breaking up financial oligarchy sounds like a terrorist threat?!?!?!
I think you should read something that describes in details about some countries like Iraq, Afganistan, Russia maybe half of the world and then perhaps you can understand what terror is about.
The monetary system is not going to break overnight and then even if it does you atleast have something to eat. In some places on earth half of the population goes to sleep on an empty or half filled stomach. It is not because people are lazy - just some stupid a** clown who did not have the brains or the will to understand that money does not make a country strong - people do.
When a gang of people gather to kill you or do you harm because you are from a different religon or caste that is terrorism, when someone steals your money it is robbery but when someone is complaining about a system that he feels is not what he expects he is just expecting a change - perhaps for the better.
I am not taking sides. I am just stating my opionions.
The oligarchs also endeavoured to abolish the four divisions of society.
Throughout Japan at the time, the samurai numbered 1.9 million. (For comparison, this was more than 10 times the size of the French privileged class before the 1789 French Revolution. Moreover, the samurai in Japan were not merely the lords, but also their higher retainers—people who actually worked.) With each samurai being paid fixed stipends, their upkeep presented a tremendous financial burden, which may have prompted the oligarchs to action. Whatever their true intentions, the oligarchs embarked on another slow and deliberate process to abolish the samurai class. First, in 1873, it was announced that the samurai stipends were to be taxed on a rolling basis. Later, in 1874, the samurai were given the option to convert their stipends into government bonds. Finally, in 1876, this commutation was made compulsory.
To reform the military, the government instituted nationwide conscription in 1873, mandating that every male would serve in the armed forces upon turning 21 for four years; followed by three more years in the reserves. One of the primary differences between the samurai and peasant class was the right to bear arms; this ancient privilege was suddenly extended to every male in the nation. Furthermore, samurai were no longer allowed to walk about town bearing a sword or weapon to show their status as in former times.
This led to a series of riots from disgruntled samurai. One of the major riots was the one led by Saigō Takamori, the Satsuma Rebellion, which eventually turned into a civil war. This rebellion was, however, put down swiftly by the newly formed Imperial Japanese Army, trained in Western tactics and weapons, even though the core of the new army was the Tokyo police force, which was largely composed of former samurai. This sent a strong message to the dissenting samurai that their time was indeed up. There were fewer subsequent samurai uprisings and the distinction became all but a name as the samurai joined the new society. The ideal of samurai military spirit lived on in romanticized form and was often used as propaganda during the early 20th century wars of the Empire of Japan.
However, it is equally true that the majority of samurai were content despite having their status abolished. Many found employment in the government bureaucracy, which resembled an elite class in its own right. The samurai, being better educated than most of the population, became teachers, gun makers, government officials, or military officers. While the formal title of samurai was abolished, the elitist spirit that characterized the samurai class lived on.
The oligarchs also embarked on a series of land reforms. In particular, they legitimized the tenancy system which had been going on during the Tokugawa period. Despite the bakufu's best efforts to freeze the four classes of society in place, during their rule villagers had begun to lease land out to other farmers, becoming rich in the process. This greatly disrupted the clearly defined class system which the bakufu had envisaged, partly leading to their eventual downfall.
The Military of Japan was also strengthened, and they showed themselves as a growing world power by winning both the Sino-Japanese war, and the Russo-Japanese war. The victory against Russia was the more shocking as it was the first time that an Asian nation had defeated a European power in war.
Besides drastic changes to the social structure of Japan, in an attempt to create a strong centralized state defining its national identity, the government established a dominant national dialect that replaced local and regional dialects called hyojungo, which was based on patterns of the Tokyo’s samurai classes that has eventually become the norm in the realms of education, media, government and business.[3]
[edit] Industrial growth
The rapid industrialization and modernization of Japan both allowed and required a massive increase in production and infrastructure. Japan built industries such as shipyards, iron smelters, and spinning mills, which were then sold to well-connected entrepreneurs. Consequently, domestic companies became consumers of Western technology and applied it to produce items that would be sold cheaply in the international market. With this, industrial zones grew enormously, and there was massive migration to industrializing centers from the countryside. Industrialization additionally went hand in hand with the development of a national railway system and modern communications.[4]
This is how in 50 years, our cooperation and team spirit made us jump from a feudal age into Accelerated Economic and industrial Development ...
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Advocates of the term "coup" would point out the fact that there was a change in only the regime, with the fighting confined to the elite, which managed to avoid being spread to the rest of society and that there was a shared sense of national mission and class values. However, this term only refers to the political leaders—not commoners. More importantly, it also does not represent the wider historical context of the period, and the various ideological struggles of the time in addition to the subsequent radical changes of society.
The direct challenge to the legitimacy of the Tokugawa Regime in 1868 identifies this event as a revolution. This term also implies an anticipation of subsequent radical changes and indicates that the regime was toppled through the combination of concerns and actions of different groups. This term is problematic because it gives the false impression that rebels had unified or coherent plans for the future and it does not account for the relatively peaceful transition or how much actually stayed the same within the country.
The events of 1868 can be viewed in terms of a restoration because the opposition made claims that the Tokugawa Shogunate had usurped the power to govern from the emperor. This claim as well as the strictly isolationist sentiments of the times is an accurate representation of the event, in some ways. The word restoration implies a focus on the elite ideological debates but does not address the regional and religious tensions of the period. It also undervalues the strategic nature of restorationist claims and gives a false impression of unity among the rebelling houses. The most detrimental implication of this term is that it offers no concrete explanation of how ordinary people came to accept the legitimacy of direct imperial rule.
@jiml8 - it is almost an unwritten law that the world will follow the US no matter where it leads them. Yes, you can postpone the problem for now but sooner or later it would be right back in your face.
Just my thoughts.
I dare to disagree... PRC won't follow the US... and many others won't also...
Unfortunately, " Governments " consider the Internet a threat to their control
of the populations of their countries and what information that population is
going to be exposed to.
Well, they probably will pass it, maybe with the help of Assange.
I think that you should be prepared for "events" and massive censorship of the internet to possible cover up details of the events. Have some things stocked up, some plans, etc.
However, I recommend that you do NOT read infowars or prisonplanet on a daily basis. Note that these sites have been setup (probably by the gubmint) to spread paranoia and anger to all those who read it. If you don't believe me, tell me what feeling do you get when reading articles from these sites ? Isn't it always fear, hatred, anger, paranoia ? They are scare mongers, and often don't provide accurate info. At least, if you see something on there, double check with other sources. Also notice that infowars seems to be a rather extensive network, and similar articles will appear in many other places.
Well-said. Alex Jones used to even work for the FBI!
TRhat doesn't invalidate the fact that a lot of what he says is true though.... I've been studying the dirty deeds of our globalist politicians for 25 years now- long before there was ever an internet. The interesting thing is, virtually everything I heard, came to pass- but usually not as quickly as those proclaiming it would have us believe- whether they were sincere and truthful, or propagandists.
And that is a great tactic to actually take people who discover what is truly going on, and get them to disbelieve it, even though it is happening before their eyes. Just make it sound like it's gonna happen tomorrow...when in fact, it might not happen for 10 years. Those of us who are astute observers, know it is indeed going to happen...but likely not as fast or in full public view as those in the alternate media would have us believe. Many people though, lose faith when things don't materialize as quickly or as obviously as they expect.
Case in point: The US financial meltdown. People have been warning about it for decades. Those who have any sense of history and finance, knew it was inevitable. But when people were warning about it 20 years ago and it didn't manifest itself right away, a lot of those people lost faith and became critics of the truth-tellers. As in all things, the majority seek instant gratification. You can proclaim the inevitable future consequences of today's actions with 100% certainty...but if the affects are not manifested right away, no one notices or cares. The fact that what you said came precisely to pass 10 or 20 years down the road is not a factor to most, as they have very short memories.
The truth, interspersed with just a few lies or exaggerations, is far more detrimental than something that is 100% lies, and will often cause even those who know and believe the truth to lose faith.
America IS already a police state. Hitler and Stalin would be envious. (Unfortunately, most of our fellow citizens are so oblivious, that they'll gladly kill and oppress and do the bidding of the globalist tyrants who run this country and the world, and say they are "fighting for our FREEDOM"!!! LOL!
Let me also repeat myself: Anyone care to build a server farm down here in free Nicaragua?
I know of a lot of people who have relocated from the US to Central and South America (Honduras, Panama, Chile...). I was seriously considering it myself- as I do not care to stay in this mess...I wonder though- just how free are these places? In many, if accused of a crime, are you nopt presumed guilty until proven innocent?(Pretty much the same here now...) Do you now have property taxes? Is the US involved in your politics/military (or has bases there)? Can you own firearms?
I'd appreciate some info about your country- if you'd care to PM me..... At this point, I've pretty much concluded that there are no truly free places left on this earth....I think I'll just have to settle for "better than here". (And these days, it's getting so that just about anywhere is better than the US and old English Commonwealth countries). I hate being associated with this country and funding it's nefarious activities around the world through the taxes I am forced to pay...and living among those who send their kids off to terrorize other countries and are proud of it and think it a good thing, because they are so blind and deluded.
I just want a place where I can live quietly out in the country and mind my own business and be left alone. (Another problem- many decent countries will not allow foreigners- even if naturalized- to own property. Not that I blame them for not wanting fat, stupid Americans...)
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