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Old 05-13-2015, 06:40 PM   #16
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No need to argue, just look at some graphs:
http://pricedingold.com/us-dollar/
There are no graphs showing the inflation rate, so I don't know how it's relevant to the hyperinflation question.

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Nixon floated the dollar in 1971.
This table of American inflation shows that inflation was going up before the dollar was unpegged, and the trend just continued unabated. And looking at 1971 to present, the max inflation was during 1980 at around %15 (hyperinflation is considered 50% or more), so I guess the unpegging thing isn't really a problem.
 
Old 05-13-2015, 06:55 PM   #17
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Yep. The chicken has come home to roost. Probably more chickens on the horizon later on.

China throws 128 billion into their train system.

Our congress blocks funding for

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positive_train_control

so we get

http://news.yahoo.com/amtrak-train-c...020329456.html

So what does the news report? It was the engineers fault. You know. The underpaid, overworked, dude that is lowest on the totem pole of blame for "I see dead people".

There is a lot more wrong here than just the value of the dollar. Just a pimple on a cancerous body.
Kinda like global warming. May we live in interesting times. Because cause and effect are gonna be a medivac for some.
 
Old 05-13-2015, 06:57 PM   #18
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Well, something not directly related with loss of production in the USA, but loss of business for the USA is this.

Many, many times when I want to purchase something in the USA, IF I get an answer at all is something like: "we don't export, we don't accept your foreign credit card, we don't ship to a freight forwarder, you can order, but we charge you $2000 domestic freight, we don't do this, we don't do that.

However, when I do business with China I get a response within 24 hours (I have exactly 12 hours time difference with China), they are co-operative in any way, they group shipments for me at their premises, they ask what customs value I want to have on the pro-forma invoice, domestic shipping is cheap, they arrange with other suppliers so the shipment is handled right. Often the products are the same as what I buy at Amazon, but for 25% of the price. I mean it is the same product from the same manufacturer.

Instead of finding a reason why something cannot be sold, their answer is "how many do you want and what is your port of shipping."

Only Amazon seems to be smart enough to understand that purchasing has to be easy. And they don't don't really care if the shipping address is a freight forwarder.

Apparently the USA is only interested in importing and supplying the domestic market. Fine.

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Old 05-13-2015, 08:04 PM   #19
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If you believe in a country that has no respect for it's citizens, no workplace safety, no environmental protection then sure. Buy some China products and get some of their money too. I prefer to try to spend my money on ethical products if I can.

No, the measure of money is not as simple as GDP or potential worth. It is what any product is worth. That being only what someone will pay for it.
 
Old 05-13-2015, 08:54 PM   #20
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If you believe in a country that has no respect for it's citizens, no workplace safety, no environmental protection then sure. Buy some China products and get some of their money too. I prefer to try to spend my money on ethical products if I can.
If this is in reply on my post, please re-read the second paragraph. It states that USA companies refuse to sell products or make it as unattractive as possible.

The point of my post was that I am pushed to China. Not that I made a free choice.

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Old 05-13-2015, 09:17 PM   #21
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Not in reply to your post. In reply to general OP's point of view.

Yes, it is difficult to find any product not made in China.

I'm sure some naysayer in some place long ago said such terms about the British Pound. They seem to be doing OK still to this day.

Trading across the planet in dollars or making dollars represent goods is more a function of the massive consumer demand in the US.

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Old 05-14-2015, 03:33 PM   #22
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"(Massive) consumer demand" is certainly not the exclusive purview of the United States.

But the blithe assumption that "one way or the other, 'we' hold up the world, such that it could not possibly exist without 'U.S.' holding it," just might be an excellent example of ... hubris.

The simple reality of currency ... particularly, of "world reserve" currency ... is that it fundamentally benefits the seller, not the buyer. If you are purchasing something "from" someone, and especially when that "someone" has maneuvered itself to become the source of most of the world's production, then it only stands to reason that: "that someone, not you," ought to be the party that's entitled to be paid directly in their own currency.

When The United States was the "top-dog," almost every other nation in the world had to ... well, as the saying goes, "if you're not the top dog, what you're looking at ahead of you is always the same."

It enjoyed "pre-eminent world-reserve currency" status ... because it had earned it.

Uh huh. But then, the United States decided that it could stop producing, shut down its capacity to produce, stop teaching its kids the skills necessary to produce things (but grant them a diploma, anyway), and basically mooch off of its status as "currency provider to the world."

"A status that it was thoroughly accustomed to ... b-u-t ... that it was no longer entitled to."

It looked so good on paper. And as long as ("pride goeth before the fall") the official attitude was ... "they'll never catch on, and if they do, there's nothing that anyone can actually do about it" ... as long as Washington, DC was filled to the brim with "yes (wo)men" ... the last thirty years of American history looked wonderful, indeed. (Almost as good as, say, the "Roaring 20's," and for very similar reasons.)

But, you know, there are about 7 billion human beings on this planet, and the actual population of the USA only accounts for about 6 percent of them.

The relationship degraded until it could not be described as anything other than: parasitic. "Cheating" the fundamental game of Commerce, and doing so quite without apology. (Frankly, using it to finance becoming a rather-serious military ... threat. A "very loose cannon" on the world stage.)

I quite frankly think that the very best lesson for the USA today would be for it to be confronted(!) with: "you can't own the game anymore. You have to play it, along with the rest of us."

Because, I know what the USA will do, as though it were waking-up from a very long and troubled sleep. It will reply to the challenge, "American Style." And, in a remarkably small number of years, China will once again have serious business competition. (As it should have.)

(After all, why in the heck should I be shipping <<say, socks>> 10,000 sea miles, when there's a company thirty miles away that produces them?) Why, indeed. (Hell, I remember when "made in Japan" was the butt of jokes.)

The turn-around point in every alcoholic's life is when he is compelled to stand in front of a group of people and say: "I am an Alcoholic."

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Old 05-14-2015, 07:31 PM   #23
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I see no change in the world from Medieval times. The common surf paid the same as the common worker does today.

I'd like to retire and have enough greenbacks but it does seem China is making a huge play against that. I doubt their obsession with trying to get back on the gold standard will work. Their attempt to make contracts based on Yuan may not work if bit coins become the world standard. You won't be able to buy or sell without a number.
 
Old 05-21-2015, 06:38 AM   #24
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Hold on there. President Reagan promised it would all trickle down. Isn't that due like any day now?
 
  


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