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Old 09-16-2017, 03:53 AM   #1
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Serious, intelligent, solutions for RAD and facing BLOATWARE?


Hi All,

(1) Bloatware is a menace for programming industry but also for customers/users. (2) But, RAD is the most crucial need for programming industry and users. (3) Respect of users (Libre?).
It is big challenge, that maybe could be faced somehow by new ideas.

Which serious, intelligent, solutions could we, together, propose to give RAD without bloatware?
(Platforms, new kernel(s), rewrite, GUI?, languages, APL, K, C#...)

Any ideas are welcome!

Thank you for your inputs and ideas.
 
Old 09-16-2017, 06:26 AM   #2
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Hi All,

(1) Bloatware is a menace for programming industry but also for customers/users. (2) But, RAD is the most crucial need for programming industry and users. (3) Respect of users (Libre?).
It is big challenge, that maybe could be faced somehow by new ideas.

Which serious, intelligent, solutions could we, together, propose to give RAD without bloatware?
(Platforms, new kernel(s), rewrite, GUI?, languages, APL, K, C#...)

Any ideas are welcome!

Thank you for your inputs and ideas.
Define "bloatware" as you intend it to be used for this discussion.
Define RAD, what do you use it to represent in thie discussion.
Clearly define what you consider to be the problem, and what kinds of criteria determine an acceptable "solution".
 
Old 09-16-2017, 11:45 AM   #3
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If RAD means "rapid application development" (and if it doesn't, what does it mean?), why should that approach to software design lead to "bloatware"? Personally, I find the concept of bloatware rather dubious: one person's bloating is another's essential features.
 
Old 09-16-2017, 02:37 PM   #4
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I like Retiree Activity Day.
 
Old 09-20-2017, 07:10 PM   #5
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IMHO, www (web pages) becoming 'bloatware' is ICT=computing's problem.
Probably caused by 'Rapid web Development' tools. (Idk such 'stuff' tho)

Whatever 'web code' LQ uses is plenty for me.
No "need latest FireFox" (obsoletes 32bit), IE-only, iOS11.1-not-Android4.4, for me.

(excuse/ignore this trolling rant:
Struts@Equifax just killed TheInternet. NoJavaScript 'rules' for me)
Quote:
MVC framework for creating elegant, modern Java web applications.
 
Old 09-20-2017, 07:28 PM   #6
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Struts@Equifax just killed TheInternet. NoJavaScript 'rules' for me)
Struts is a server-side framework. It doesn't involve Javascript.

Last edited by dugan; 09-20-2017 at 07:38 PM.
 
Old 09-20-2017, 08:33 PM   #7
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IMHO, www (web pages) becoming 'bloatware' is ICT=computing's problem.
Probably caused by 'Rapid web Development' tools. (Idk such 'stuff' tho)

Whatever 'web code' LQ uses is plenty for me.
No "need latest FireFox" (obsoletes 32bit), IE-only, iOS11.1-not-Android4.4, for me.

(excuse/ignore this trolling rant:
Struts@Equifax just killed TheInternet. NoJavaScript 'rules' for me)
Oh my...
 
Old 09-20-2017, 11:03 PM   #8
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Sorry, I didn't mean to get carried away
(nor to derail the question, tho the goal maybe impossible:
how to make 'better' with 'less total code': Web3.0, iPhone10, etc.,
at both the producer&consumer server&client etc levels)

I was trying to say: my, tho unrealistic, answer is:
don't use/offer advanced options, IF you don't want complex consequences.
But few are willing to make this sacrifice of 'more'.
And utilize basic pre-Y2K html (&'all computer') functionality.
Newest&fanciest ... get the biggest $$$.
 
  


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