LinuxQuestions.org
Latest LQ Deal: Latest LQ Deals
Home Forums Tutorials Articles Register
Go Back   LinuxQuestions.org > Forums > Non-*NIX Forums > General
User Name
Password
General This forum is for non-technical general discussion which can include both Linux and non-Linux topics. Have fun!

Notices


Reply
  Search this Thread
Old 11-29-2017, 08:54 PM   #1
Raevyn
Member
 
Registered: Feb 2008
Location: Arizona
Distribution: Kubuntu 18.04
Posts: 107

Rep: Reputation: 0
Separate Disk Drives


Hello

So I was thinking of separating my hard disk storage from the actual physical computer box as I am wanting to have more drive expansion than the case can handle, and I was wondering what others thought of esata speeds and if thats the best way to go. I have also considered buying some components to make an actual file server, but then it runs on ethernet and really its only my computer that needs to access it all. Although can an ethernet connected server map drives to directories? For example, how my linux is how is I use an SSD for everything except /home, which is stored on another drive and I just do links of my main directories (desktop, videos, downloads, etc) to it.
 
Old 11-29-2017, 10:29 PM   #2
frankbell
LQ Guru
 
Registered: Jan 2006
Location: Virginia, USA
Distribution: Slackware, Ubuntu MATE, Mageia, and whatever VMs I happen to be playing with
Posts: 19,326
Blog Entries: 28

Rep: Reputation: 6142Reputation: 6142Reputation: 6142Reputation: 6142Reputation: 6142Reputation: 6142Reputation: 6142Reputation: 6142Reputation: 6142Reputation: 6142Reputation: 6142
I'm not sure whether this is relevant, as esata is a term that is new to me, but I use a number (I think the number is currently 5) of external USB drives for data storage and have found them to work quite nicely for that purpose.

Last edited by frankbell; 11-29-2017 at 10:30 PM.
 
Old 11-30-2017, 01:57 AM   #3
enorbet
Senior Member
 
Registered: Jun 2003
Location: Virginia
Distribution: Slackware = Main OpSys
Posts: 4,784

Rep: Reputation: 4434Reputation: 4434Reputation: 4434Reputation: 4434Reputation: 4434Reputation: 4434Reputation: 4434Reputation: 4434Reputation: 4434Reputation: 4434Reputation: 4434
esata = External SATA and several years ago I bought an eSATA powered enclosure for backups, storage and PC repair that includes an SATA DVD drive and (originally) a 1 TB Seagate Barracuda. Along with that for work with older PCs I got a PCI SATA card which I will soon likely have to get a PCI Express version as a few newer PCs don't have PCI slots yet have no external connectors. It has been extremely useful and I really can't detect any speed loss from an internal drive(s) connection. I can even boot from either a LiveCD or the hard drive which is now a 4 TB Barracuda.

It's also very convenient as it is roughly 7 x 7 x 11 (in inches) holds 2 drives and has a fan-cooled power supply. I can leave it connected but powered down and it is as if it doesn't exist but with a push of the power button Linux immediately recognizes new drives and they are all but immediately available in File Managers like Dolphin.

Now for the bad news (sorta). Mine was made by CoolGear but is apparently no longer made but some NOS items are on eBay. Most currently available standalone drive enclosures offer either only USB 3.0 connections or a few have both eSATA and USB 3.0. Since USB 3.0 is up to 5 GB/sec and virtually zero new PCs don't have USB and still many don't have eSATA that shouldn't be a show-stopper but a benefit.

FWIW I considered network attached but I actually preferred hard-wired isolation and the bottleneck these days is the drive speed not the interface. One important note - Most sellers I suppose assume prospective buyers are idiots (or possibly that anyone using Linux knows anyway) and states these items work with a list of Windows and Mac versions and don't bother to list Linux but the bottom line is that the SATA and USB specs are universal regardless of OpSys. I have never had a problem of any sort with my enclosure and I doubt any do with the possible exception of those docks designed for cloning with specific built-in software. I prefer keeping each item simple so that has never been an issue for me.

One more note. It should be obvious and I wish it had been for me years ago that it never pays to scrimp on storage size. Drives are so reliable and space requirements go up so quickly that it just doesn't seem to pay to try to save by buying anything but the biggest drives one can find. Example - I now have some 2 dozen old PATA drives that will probably take me a few full weekends pulling the usable/desired data off them. The job would be less daunting if instead of so many smaller ones it was 4-5 large ones.
 
Old 11-30-2017, 10:00 AM   #4
sundialsvcs
LQ Guru
 
Registered: Feb 2004
Location: SE Tennessee, USA
Distribution: Gentoo, LFS
Posts: 10,659
Blog Entries: 4

Rep: Reputation: 3941Reputation: 3941Reputation: 3941Reputation: 3941Reputation: 3941Reputation: 3941Reputation: 3941Reputation: 3941Reputation: 3941Reputation: 3941Reputation: 3941
You can also buy SANs (an improbable moniker for "storage-area network" or "network-attached storage") which are basically self-contained storage engines: controllers, drives, caches, redundant power supplies, and network-based (or fiber-based) attachment to one or more hosts.
 
Old 11-30-2017, 08:30 PM   #5
jefro
Moderator
 
Registered: Mar 2008
Posts: 21,984

Rep: Reputation: 3626Reputation: 3626Reputation: 3626Reputation: 3626Reputation: 3626Reputation: 3626Reputation: 3626Reputation: 3626Reputation: 3626Reputation: 3626Reputation: 3626
Used to be that iscsi was a pretty good solution for external storage but if you mean local then usb or some other connection would be pretty fast. I had a nas connected to a gig nic and backed up the system fully in 5 minutes.

Last edited by jefro; 11-30-2017 at 08:35 PM.
 
Old 11-30-2017, 09:28 PM   #6
Raevyn
Member
 
Registered: Feb 2008
Location: Arizona
Distribution: Kubuntu 18.04
Posts: 107

Original Poster
Rep: Reputation: 0
Wow lots of ideas thanks all! I was thinking of USB but doesnt the throughput drop significantly when more devices are attached to it? Thats why i was thinking of just going esata because its dedicated at least more so right?

My ultimate goal is that I have my office and I want to slowly build hard disk storage on the back wall that can grow with more enclosures and drives which actually as I think about it, can enclosures be daisy chained into one esata port? I was thinking of going in pairs to make raid 1, but the drives themselves dont need to be mounted as different volumes it can all be one. I would be using WD gold drives because platters are still so much cheaper than SSD.
 
Old 12-23-2017, 08:21 AM   #7
sevendogsbsd
Senior Member
 
Registered: Sep 2017
Distribution: FreeBSD
Posts: 2,252

Rep: Reputation: 1011Reputation: 1011Reputation: 1011Reputation: 1011Reputation: 1011Reputation: 1011Reputation: 1011Reputation: 1011
I always use multiple drives. I have one SSD which hosts the OS (Void Linux), another SSD for my user's /home, and one more for my games. I have 3 spinning drives totalling 4 TB that are used for backups. Works perfectly.
 
Old 12-24-2017, 07:57 AM   #8
fatmac
LQ Guru
 
Registered: Sep 2011
Location: Upper Hale, Surrey/Hants Border, UK
Distribution: Mainly Devuan, antiX, & Void, with Tiny Core, Fatdog, & BSD thrown in.
Posts: 5,493

Rep: Reputation: Disabled
Don't know if you have considered multiple external USB drives via a USB hub, but you can daisy chain them together.
 
  


Reply



Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Drives configured as JBOD but linux still sees the disk as separate deity_me Linux - Hardware 9 06-05-2012 11:20 AM
How to view/mount separate disk -- move /home to second disk Spearhead40 Ubuntu 12 11-03-2007 03:37 PM
separate drives: Raid0 or not? forrest44 Slackware 8 04-03-2007 10:28 AM
Separate drives to install XP and Linux wxman2 SUSE / openSUSE 5 08-29-2005 02:45 PM
how-to for using lilo to boot two separate drives jackopa Linux - General 4 04-19-2002 02:39 PM

LinuxQuestions.org > Forums > Non-*NIX Forums > General

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:39 PM.

Main Menu
Advertisement
My LQ
Write for LQ
LinuxQuestions.org is looking for people interested in writing Editorials, Articles, Reviews, and more. If you'd like to contribute content, let us know.
Main Menu
Syndicate
RSS1  Latest Threads
RSS1  LQ News
Twitter: @linuxquestions
Open Source Consulting | Domain Registration