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My apologies, you seem to be in very good health and obviously had taken a few vaccines in the past. You sound like someone (my nephew for one) of a younger generation that does not believe in vaccines. One of my friends that is a few years older then you is hesitant to get the vaccine. He would rather stay at home and not then travel abroad to see his children in another country. I've been to all 4 corners of the globe and have followed the travel recommendations for disease prevention. Taking another vaccine shot is just not a big deal. |
Just first person noted fully vaccinated which contracted virus. We were lucky here: person is TV show host. This is why it was noticed it contracted virus. So vaccinated person can contract virus and transmit it. Seems idea no masks for vaccinated serves only to stigmatize people who refused vaccination.
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Yes igadoter, it has already been noted that A) There is something like 1-2% ineffectiveness rate in the best vaccines and B) Some vaccines aren't any more effective than water. Which did this person get?
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The point was made here by a respected medical professional many years ago that if people are healthy, in most cases they will get a disease, build up their own immunity, and get over it. I wouldn't say that about Covid - it would probably give me an amount of trouble.
Obviously, some diseases are not to be taken lightly, but I worry about the rush to vaccinate generally for diseases that can be taken lightly. I had whooping cough as a kid for 3 days, and cannot see the need for a vaccine where we can take folks as generally healthy. Malaria, Covid, Ebola are obviously different animnals. |
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AFAIK India, for example, is still surging and the US is dropping quickly and approaching the 70% tipping point for herd immunity, so we shall see, won't we?
Just FTR the little town I grew up in is today unrecognizable from a massive increase in population. I recall when the US was 150 million people. Today it has more than doubled and similar increases are global. We are packed so tightly that the level of interaction has increased so much that we are no longer just individuals. We do have shared responsibility here on "Spaceship Earth". |
Of course, we'll see. Who says surge of infections will be tomorrow? My own estimate says new wave will be here on border June/July. Perhaps even faster if it will be virus strain from India.
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I think enorbet's just changing hobby horses:rolleyes: … I've been guilty of it myself, and the climate is one of them certainly.
Back on topic, it appears much of the anti-vaxx stuff in social media can be traced to just 12 people. There are doctors of good reputation with convincing and different arguments against the currently line of thought. It's strange to see evidence of "Thought Police" (for or against) in Western democracies. Quote:
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Old people like me can speak their minds because no one cares what we say anyway. But if you're young, you have to toe the party line. Mind you, I still think anti-vaxxers are daft, but a lot of ideas that are becoming forbidden territory now are not daft at all. |
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Not only that, "they" attempt to destroy your livelihood, and actually physically harm you, like you just posted. I keep looking for the day when "they" attempt to remove your children from you if you don't agree with "them" But, Scotland has done that for years. They have removed children from homes that the state does not approve of. The US has done a little bit of that too. Quote:
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BTW It's already been demonstrated/confirmed that effective brands of vaccine that stop the earlier variant altogether for most people also substantially reduce the seriousness of variant infection. This is an advantage especially prominent in mRNA-based vaccines. The ability to create and provide a simple booster to deal with variants is improved by the success of the initial ones. |
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https://epidemic-stats.com/coronavirus/india Note the amounts and times. However I sincerely hope you are right and I'm just overly cautious. |
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