Yes but blackrhino isnt on a ps2 formatted disc, therefor it would give you the "insert a playstation disc" right? or does it go through hdloader?

So without x11 it would be a promt or something right?
Have you tried to use gnome on it? I think it would be kinda hard to see on the tv but you never know i guess.

Can you save on it!? Can you save on a game that doesnt support saving on a HDD? Like a complete replacement for the memcard? That would be TITE! although i really dont mind the memcard much - it would be nice to stop hearing my xbox friend say "stupid playstation memcard."

Man you got me excited! Do you have AIM, MSN, or Yahoo so we can discuse this further. You don't have to give me you screen name if you dont want to though.

Can't save to hd with a game that saves to mem card but you can b-up the save on the hd with hd loader. When you install you start at a prompt and do a net install of the system you want. It uses dselect. You get a mini base system and build from there. I usually keep my mem cards empty and just load the saves as I play them.

I'm sorry, but Gnome in the PS2 hardware would crawl really bad (Clock Speed: 294.912 MHz - Bus Width: 128 bit - Cache: 16 kb - RAM: 32 MB Direct Rambus)

Now, I'm not saying it should not be possible to run Gnome, but with 32 of Ram and 300 MHZ processor, I'd stick with a light-weight desktop as blackbox instead, which can be very good looking too.

The Xbox, on the other hand, would have more success running a heavier desktop environment (Intel Pentium III 733 MHz, 64MB ) and cheaper too, since the PS2 - older model, does not include basic stuff as harddrive (sold separately, and for what I understood, it's not all IDE drivers that fits on it, unlike Xbox) or network card (sold separately, but included in the new PS2 - small version). If you are good soldering, you can even add a second mem stick to the Xbox (thus 128 total) which is quite alright, I guess

Regards!

Well not neccessarly....

The clock speed does not always mean the actual performance of the chip (little known to P4 users). The ps2 processer is SPARAC articulture. I think, ps1 was. But i know for sure that its not x86, like the xbox. As i'm sure youve heard and seen many times before --- the 2 processors are really equal in performance. As far as 32 megs of ram, thats what they created swap space for.



Do you realize what you saying? 700mhz celeron with 64 megs of ram would run good? I don't think soo. I put linux on my parents computer (700 mhz celeron with 64 megs of ram -- oddly enough) and kde wouldnt even start up! But kde is really bloated though. Gnome ram decent at best. I ended up putting xp pro back on it. I think you'd be stuck with blackbox on the xbox as well.

As far as the ps2 modem goes.... when ps2 first rolled off the line online wanst popular. But then came the online package, then the regular one started rolling off the line with the adaptor and now the slimline. And little known to some, the playstation is also compatible with dial up. Which is great cause 40% of americans use dial up for their online gaming. Not to mention you have to PAY for xbox live.. WHY!? isnt the 50 bucks you just wasted on the game good enough? Nope, guess not theyd rather charge you 50 bucks a year, greedy bastards. Thats shows you how much M$ cares bout their customers. lol

Well once i sell my computer (thats if i dont trade it for a laptop), i'm gonna get a hdd for my peepstation and put blackrhino on it. I sure hope whats his nam... uh torrenmented one will be able to help me cause it looks very hard as far as setup goes.

It's not too bad to setup. My yahoo name is tormentedtoo123. The ps2 takes IDE hd just like the xbox. I have a question though. How did you get the 200 gig to read the full 200 gig? I know a stock xbox will only read like 160 I believe. Gotta agree on the clock speeds, p4 is a really good example of this. You can't go by clock speed alone. I use flux on my psxlinux and fvwm2 on my rhino install. It's alittle diferent that installing on a puter. The xbox runs on bandwidth and the ps2 runs on latency. Kinda like p4 and AMD. Another note the new slimline ps2 does not accept a hd so if you have a v12 your outta luck.

Here's a link for compatible hd's for ps2:

http://ps2drives.x-pec.com/

Also my hd is a seagate ST3160023A-RK 160gig 7200rpm 8mg buffer

lol that was the FIRST thing that popped into my head when he was talking about clock speeds. I'm an AMD guy myself.

Yep, i know, i have a version 10 i think, but it is the old style for sure.

Anyway, I am a complete and i proablu couldnt set it up for the life of me. I added you to my yahoo (trillian rather), as you proably already know.

Oh man, I cant wait. Like i said i'm trying to trade my gaming computer for a laptop, so if someone does trade me i'll just sell my OLD laptop and buy a hdd with the funds. If they buy it from me i'll just purchase a budget laptop and use the reamain fund for the playstation.

Also, I'd like to fit on of these on it -- then it would look really tite.

Thanks,
Onion

You can also get cases that are color and not clear too.

You've to use a bios that supports hd's bigger then 120. Peoples using over 250GB over here are common and kinda make me jealous

That's wrong. Swap should never be used. If you are running out of memory, you've to either upgrade the memories or close some services...

I did not. That's why I also mention the amount of RAM available for PS2.

I did not say it would run good. I said it would run more successful (better then PS2 anyway).

Wrong. It's possible to play Xbox games online and for free and legally, using Xlink Kai or XBConnect. You are stuck playing a few games (only those with multiplayer option through linked Xbox'es). Also, a lot of Massive RPG's games out there also has a monthly charge, and everybody seems to be fine with it. And MS support is quite good. Everything I ever asked them was answered in less then 24 hours and freely (including silly questions about Xbox).

That's true, I totally agree with you. With the limited amount of RAM, you just have to stick with light weight environments.

Not really. PS2 uses a 128-bit "Emotion Engine". It's a really good processor. It just happens that Xbox power is not really on the processor, but on the graphics card. And Celeron/Intel processors are good for multitasking things and specially developed to run in a domestic PC (like sending e-mails or surfing the web) Needless to say, Xbox would do a great job for this. Oh, and PSOne uses a Risc-32 bits, so both processors has really nothing to do with a Sparc architecture.

Links:

PSone:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation

PS2:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_2

Xbox:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox

Whatever you say, Xbox is better then PS2 for whatever reason you may think of. It can perform similar tasks, but Xbox will out performs a PS2 because it's hardware is superior. You don't need to be a genius to see that. The specifications are quite clear.

However, if you are truly willing to give your PC away to use a PS2 to do ordinary PC tasks, you will stab yourself on your foot. Get a Intel P II - 400MHZ and 256 - 512 RAM and it will be way better then PS2 or Xbox for that matter (and in the case of PS2, cheaper too... think about all the cables, hardware pieces, modification, time and problems then you will have getting it to run like crap)

No thats casue they dont have to pay 50 MORE dollars on Xbox live.
LOL where in the world did I get sparac from. I must have read it somewhere. In any event the processors are realtivly equal in performance which i have heard many times.
I definatly have to disagree with you there. Celerons are good for nothing but throwing at people. The are (and if you have any sense you'll agree), the worst processors in modern day computers.
No shit sherlock. I never said PS2 was more powerful than xbox an anyway besides the processor - because its not.
I almost take that as an insult. I'm not that retarded. I have quite a few pc's scatter around my house. I just though that as long as I have a few hundred extra bucks that I'd try it out - thats all.
I wouldnt say that since you never have tried it. I did some googling and found ALOT of reviews of the ps2 linux kit - all of them say how suprisingly well it ran...
Thats a little harsh but I beg to differ - as well as the millions of other people keep ps2 selling #1 in the world. I think in a couple of years the xbox will supass the ps2, but then the ps3 will come out and blow xboxnext and all the others to hell.

It's only you Linux gurus who keep arguing about the technical superiority of PS/2 versus XBox.

The average gaming fan cares nothing except whether game 'A' or 'B' runs on which console and if he likes the game, he'll get the console. Simple as that. Period.

The availability of games can make or break a console. In the PS/2 case, it has a wider range of games than XBox at the moment and it's also available in different parts of the world -- wider market reach and better popular appeal.

That's all that counts. Memory, CPU and all doesn't figure in their calculations. Games do.

Yeah and on a "linux questions" site on top of it lol.
Very well said.
Yes that is why ps2 sells better - cause it's got the games. And Xbox is also available in different parts of the world, it just that less people buy them. No to mention xbox is always advertising. I've never seen a ps2 advertisment besides the 5 seconds they show the new slimline at the end of some of the game advertisments.
Again, well said.

I just thought i'd say ps/2 is a mouse or keyborad connection, PS2 is a console

Although I doubt that will end this......uh......debate.

Regards,
Onion

Saying that PS2 is the world's #1 seller does not mean that much, really. Windows is also the #1 OS in the world and look the big mess it is... Both Mac and Linux are superior, and still, both of them together is nearly insignificant when talking about numbers.of users on the Desktop. Same goes to AOL, IE, MS Office...

Actually It don't run like crap, I know I have linux on my ps2. So how does a 128bit emotion engine compare to a 32bit celeron/intel? Also your intel/celeron is only running a bus width of 100mb and the ps2 128bit thats a 28% difference. If you wanna be technical any intel chip only has a bus width of 100m. Intel has crapped the clock speeds all up. Half of what they claim is not true. Thats why AMD can produce a 1.8ghz processor that smokes anything but the really top of the line Intels(Including a p4 3.4ghz HT). So a 32 bit processor beats a 128bit, damn I'm gonna sell my AMD64 and buy a 32bit chip because if its better than a 128bit then its gotta be better than my 64bit. Right? I'm not trying to be mean but think about what you are saying. You could be right on the graffix part but I think in the end they are pretty much even.

Sure, then you mean also that your Emotion 128-bits is better then your AMD 64-bits?. Believe me, I think that the PS2 processor is great. I think the future of PC's will have something similar to that too, a single integrated ship. But due it's current time and tech, it has to be done separately. Xbox power, as I said, is on the graphics. Perhaps they would have an even performance as you said, but graphics wise, PS2 just can't keep it up.

And you are right about AMD, it really smokes Intel Processors. If you don't have a good cooling system, it will even smoke itself because they run way too hot...

Actually the 128 is probably better than the 64. Gotta agree on the cooling. But I have also fried a few pentiums in my time too. It all comes down to the architexture of the chip. I cant say I have dug too deep on eitheer the ps2 or xbox. But from what I see a ps2 is a console platform and the xbox is a computer trying to be a console platform. Yes the xbox does have better graffics. I have also seen many xboxs studder on frames(even when using the hd instead of cd). I have never seen a ps2 studder. Kinda like when you push your video card to the limit. I gotta add that cause that is a pain.