LinuxQuestions.org
Download your favorite Linux distribution at LQ ISO.
Home Forums Tutorials Articles Register
Go Back   LinuxQuestions.org > Forums > Linux Forums > Linux - Distributions > Debian
User Name
Password
Debian This forum is for the discussion of Debian Linux.

Notices


Reply
  Search this Thread
Old 05-18-2011, 11:27 AM   #1
mpyusko
Member
 
Registered: Oct 2003
Location: Rochester, NY, USA
Distribution: Salckware ver 10.1 - 14.1, Debian too.
Posts: 432
Blog Entries: 1

Rep: Reputation: 41
Squeeze with a Voodoo3 2000 PCI card - Grub garbled.


Everything else works fine (for a P3@500MHz) but when I boot the system Grub is scrambled. After it boots to the default selection, everything returns to normal and I can read the boot messages.

Any idea why this is happening? I'm not really sure what the grub menu should look like (graphics of purely text - I've used grub before).

(Side note: I needed to build a server and went sifting through my spare parts and found the old Voodoo card and said "Hey, Why not?" I think I have an ELSA Gloria card around here somewhere too. But I figured the Trident 9000i card might be a little weak.)
 
Old 05-18-2011, 04:01 PM   #2
alan_ri
Senior Member
 
Registered: Dec 2007
Location: Croatia
Distribution: Debian GNU/Linux
Posts: 1,733
Blog Entries: 5

Rep: Reputation: 127Reputation: 127
Excuse me, what is your problem?

You said you don't know how it looks like, well you can have a look here; http://wiki.debian.org/Grub/SplashImage
 
Old 05-18-2011, 09:49 PM   #3
mpyusko
Member
 
Registered: Oct 2003
Location: Rochester, NY, USA
Distribution: Salckware ver 10.1 - 14.1, Debian too.
Posts: 432

Original Poster
Blog Entries: 1

Rep: Reputation: 41
Quote:
Originally Posted by alan_ri View Post
Excuse me, what is your problem?

You said you don't know how it looks like, well you can have a look here; http://wiki.debian.org/Grub/SplashImage

I'm using a Voodoo3 2000 pci video card and Grub is scrambled. I'm not sure if it is purely text mode, or if it has a 14 color image as well (which is requiring graphics). So I'm not sure how exactly to diagnose it. All I know is when the Grub menu should be display I get scrambled diagonal lines on my monitor until it automatically continues the boot sequence. Once it starts loading the kernel and actually booting the system, it's fine. I just can't see Grub.

I've used Grub before and I know what it's supposed to look like for text only, and I've even set it up for Splashy. However in this case I'm not sure what is wrong with it taht it won't display properly.

So,

A, Is the default Grub menu for Squeeze graphical or text?
B, What can I do to get it to display correctly?

Thanks. Sorry if I was confusing. I'm confused myself. I think I'm more confused now. Maybe I should just be quiet.

Last edited by mpyusko; 05-18-2011 at 09:51 PM.
 
Old 05-19-2011, 03:24 AM   #4
widget
Senior Member
 
Registered: Oct 2008
Location: S.E. Montana
Distribution: Debian Testing, Stable, Sid and Manjaro, Mageia 3, LMDE
Posts: 2,628

Rep: Reputation: 497Reputation: 497Reputation: 497Reputation: 497Reputation: 497
The graphics in grub are improving all the time. You do seem to have a video problem.

Can you read the menu at all? If so a temp fix would be to edit the /etc/default/grub file so that you have a longer time out. You could also look at some of the other options in there to see if there is anything that strikes you as maybe useful.

I have no knowledge at all about your card so can't really help beyond that.

There are a number of things that I know that will help booting with a card that has shaky support in the OS AFTER the menu. A bad menu screen and fine after that is a new one. I will watch this with great interest.
 
Old 05-19-2011, 10:13 AM   #5
mpyusko
Member
 
Registered: Oct 2003
Location: Rochester, NY, USA
Distribution: Salckware ver 10.1 - 14.1, Debian too.
Posts: 432

Original Poster
Blog Entries: 1

Rep: Reputation: 41
No, nothing discernable at all. Perhaps the VESA capabilities are too obsolete? Really its completely scrambled.
 
Old 05-19-2011, 01:35 PM   #6
alan_ri
Senior Member
 
Registered: Dec 2007
Location: Croatia
Distribution: Debian GNU/Linux
Posts: 1,733
Blog Entries: 5

Rep: Reputation: 127Reputation: 127
Default Grub menu for Squeeze is just like this; http://screenshots.debian.net/package/grub ... just different version and with different background picture.

I say that it's a little strange that only GRUB is scrambled.

But before anything else, can you upload a screenshot or something? That would be great if you can.
 
Old 05-19-2011, 09:47 PM   #7
mpyusko
Member
 
Registered: Oct 2003
Location: Rochester, NY, USA
Distribution: Salckware ver 10.1 - 14.1, Debian too.
Posts: 432

Original Poster
Blog Entries: 1

Rep: Reputation: 41
YouTube Video

Here is a video of exactly what happens. (Note: sometimes it'll get zig-zaggy before the monitor's "Frequency Over Range" message appears.)
http://youtu.be/Eg78jOvc-vo

For the technically curious the monitor is an Optiquest Q51
 
Old 05-20-2011, 04:26 AM   #8
alan_ri
Senior Member
 
Registered: Dec 2007
Location: Croatia
Distribution: Debian GNU/Linux
Posts: 1,733
Blog Entries: 5

Rep: Reputation: 127Reputation: 127
Key words here are Frequency over range. I never had that problem, but it is obviously a monitor problem.

You can check your refresh rate and things like that. Play a little with your monitor settings. Sorry I don't have time now, but a quick google search found this;
Quote:
That means your monitor is not seeing the signal from your video card or either you have chosen a resolution or a refresh rate which exceeds your monitor's capabilties.
 
Old 05-20-2011, 06:16 AM   #9
jim_p
Member
 
Registered: Aug 2009
Distribution: Debian testing
Posts: 564

Rep: Reputation: 131Reputation: 131
Supporting the above statement quoted by allan_ri, I suggest changing grub's resolution to something less, like 640*480, by altering the "#GRUB_GFXMODE=640x480" option in /etc/default/grub.
Don't forget to remove the # from that line and run "update-grub" to make the changes to the relevant file.

On second thought, install grub-legacy.
 
Old 05-20-2011, 08:11 AM   #10
mpyusko
Member
 
Registered: Oct 2003
Location: Rochester, NY, USA
Distribution: Salckware ver 10.1 - 14.1, Debian too.
Posts: 432

Original Poster
Blog Entries: 1

Rep: Reputation: 41
Quote:
Originally Posted by alan_ri View Post
Key words here are Frequency over range. I never had that problem, but it is obviously a monitor problem.

You can check your refresh rate and things like that. Play a little with your monitor settings. Sorry I don't have time now, but a quick google search found this;
It can be that the frequency is higher or lower than the monitor can handle, but let's face it... monitors aren't that smart. Usually (and more likely), it's a screen resolution problem.

But in this case, it's a 80x25 text, switching to whatever Grub is trying to do and them back again after? I was under the impression that the resolution Grub was set to was passed along to the Kernel and the system boots that way.

Edit: /etc/default/grub

GRUB_GFXMODE=800X600 (currently)

Last edited by mpyusko; 05-20-2011 at 08:13 AM.
 
Old 05-20-2011, 09:29 AM   #11
mpyusko
Member
 
Registered: Oct 2003
Location: Rochester, NY, USA
Distribution: Salckware ver 10.1 - 14.1, Debian too.
Posts: 432

Original Poster
Blog Entries: 1

Rep: Reputation: 41
I switched it to 640x480 and this is what I get....
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	Grub_640x480a.jpg
Views:	19
Size:	255.9 KB
ID:	7058  
 
Old 05-20-2011, 10:41 AM   #12
cynwulf
Senior Member
 
Registered: Apr 2005
Posts: 2,727

Rep: Reputation: 2367Reputation: 2367Reputation: 2367Reputation: 2367Reputation: 2367Reputation: 2367Reputation: 2367Reputation: 2367Reputation: 2367Reputation: 2367Reputation: 2367
It looks like it's a framebuffer issue. The easy way out and a quick way of testing is:

Code:
aptitude purge desktop-base
Which will remove the grub theme and revert to a standard text mode menu.

You can reinstall it later if needed...
 
Old 05-20-2011, 10:49 AM   #13
mpyusko
Member
 
Registered: Oct 2003
Location: Rochester, NY, USA
Distribution: Salckware ver 10.1 - 14.1, Debian too.
Posts: 432

Original Poster
Blog Entries: 1

Rep: Reputation: 41
Why does that sound like it will affect more than just Grub?
 
Old 05-20-2011, 10:56 AM   #14
cynwulf
Senior Member
 
Registered: Apr 2005
Posts: 2,727

Rep: Reputation: 2367Reputation: 2367Reputation: 2367Reputation: 2367Reputation: 2367Reputation: 2367Reputation: 2367Reputation: 2367Reputation: 2367Reputation: 2367Reputation: 2367
It's actually a load of "branding", i.e. the spacefun theme. It will effect more than just grub but can be reinstalled as with any debian package. It's just an easier way of checking if the framebuffer is the culprit...
 
Old 05-20-2011, 11:03 AM   #15
mpyusko
Member
 
Registered: Oct 2003
Location: Rochester, NY, USA
Distribution: Salckware ver 10.1 - 14.1, Debian too.
Posts: 432

Original Poster
Blog Entries: 1

Rep: Reputation: 41
<Sifting through discs to find OEM Voodoo3 Divers>
 
  


Reply



Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Using GRUB to boot from an pci sata raid card alex905 Linux - General 3 03-19-2011 05:10 PM
Squeeze, Realtek r8169 PCI, and a PCI Identity Crisis TheHT Linux - Hardware 10 01-22-2011 08:33 PM
Get grub to boot from no raid SATA controller pci card sparkbot Linux - Software 6 11-17-2006 05:40 PM
3D won't work on Slackware with Voodoo3 2000. njbrain Linux - Hardware 2 03-29-2004 09:43 PM
3DFX Voodoo3 2000 Issues bfloeagle Linux - General 1 05-23-2001 06:20 AM

LinuxQuestions.org > Forums > Linux Forums > Linux - Distributions > Debian

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:17 AM.

Main Menu
Advertisement
My LQ
Write for LQ
LinuxQuestions.org is looking for people interested in writing Editorials, Articles, Reviews, and more. If you'd like to contribute content, let us know.
Main Menu
Syndicate
RSS1  Latest Threads
RSS1  LQ News
Twitter: @linuxquestions
Open Source Consulting | Domain Registration