Indeed. I am very happy that Mr. Volkerding and the core group of developers chart the course for Slackware.

You said you hadn't heard of any other init systems. At the time, no one in the thread really knew of your requirements as you'd only posted:

After posting these "prophecies" you then requested that I back up my statements with factual data. Ironic.

who designed a versatile and robust init system,
who wrote excellent documentation and manuals,
who took part in numerous presentations to explain basic concepts,
who devotes his time to answer technical questions on numerous forums,
who wrote Pulseaudio, which solved quite nasty problems with Alsa,
who wrote Avahi, which just works good

What have *you* done in terms of software projects?


Oh, I see, you are a fun of Runit. Okay, I respect your choice.
But please defend your opinion on *technical* merits.
Why it is better? What features it provides? What drawbacks?
(and no, "unix-phylosophy" cr*p is not accepted as argument)


Prove it.
I outlined the requirements in previous post:
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...ml#post5190280

Which of these requirements Runit supports (or is going to)?
Which doesn't?


Not only he. It's free sofware baby, it is always about scratching someone's itch.
Time always comes for someone else to pick it up (if project worth the efforts and there are volunteers of course).


Absolutely! No more that 36499 days, no any doubts about it

Yes, true, it cannot survive for more that 7299 days, mark my words

... while another "lot of the Linux community" welcomes it warmly


Why would I?
Anyway, wish authors good luck in this project, seriously.
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No, I could never say so. Quite contrary, for 20 years I have familiarized with a lot of init systems.

I only mentioned that I couldn't find any alternative to systemd that even closely matches it in terms of robustness and features
(well, maybe upstart... but it's a dead horse anyway).

Not so again. Perhaps you get lost within this long thread
It's not about "prophecies", I asked you to provide factual data for a hypothetical init system that could provide features mentioned in this post: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...ml#post5190280

@ssl779 So many qualifying adjectives, so many subjective opinions passed as facts all wrapped in flagrant emotional tone … So obvious, so amateurish.

@others Please stop feeding this ideological crap and focus back again at solving specific technical issues with Slackware, help newcomers grasp the system or share your ideas backed with results of your effort. Playing this nonsense comes to nothing.

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You missed the point, and you know it.

And where is it now on Slackware? Again, you missed the point and are only grabbing at straw man arguments. I think you're also getting a little bit edgy at commenters for being a mod who's supposedly just wanting to discuss your reasoning for why you believe systemd is such a good thing for the linux world. Let's hope you don't ban anyone because since this post of yours I'm replying to, near the end you're getting pretty close to flaming someone and the 'it's okay for me, but not for thee' won't go well on this site (I would hope).

And so that means it's right and what's best for linux? If that was so, why don't *ALL* the distro's jump on board with zero arguing? Why isn't Linus very happy with it? The site that was given in the first post of this thread, http://boycottsystemd.org/
has lots and lots of links to lots of devs and such who are not happy with systemd. It's bad enough that it only *ONE* less than half of those responsible for Debian *didn't* want it in the OS. I guess that means nothing too, right?

And it'll be fired right back at you - post the numbers. No one has any solid numbers how many use *linux* OS's, how will you or anyone else know when or if a slew of current linux users have switched to distros *without* systemd or other OS's altogether? You won't, that's how.

Again, I'm no dev, can't even write a bash script, but I *CAN* look at something and its code and usually get an idea of what's going on even though I couldn't explain it to anyone how or why I know, and as far as I can see, systemd is going to become a Linux registry. When it screws up, and I'd bet my three dogs and my sled (when one is disabled one is usually dirt poor so that's all I own) on it, it's going to be something major that will have the linux world rocked off its feet and sitting on its butt blinking in confusion just like a stun grenade was thrown into a 12ftX12ft room...the concussion is going to be bad, very bad. I hope it's not going to happen, but I've got reservations enough about systemd that I won't *ever* have it on my computer if I can help it. Like I said before in this thread way back...'Systemd...we'll take over so you don't have to!'

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Which one is that? Is it proved to be flawless yet? SysV isn't flawless yet works just fine for Slackware, but then again it's been around a looong time and has been proved what it can and can't do. As far as I've seen so far, systemd has screwed up a few major times and yet it's being pushed on users by slight majorities of the devs of IMO too many distros and hasn't been around long enough and thus not tested anywhere near enough *before* being adopted into the mainstream.

Which one(s) were those, please?

Uhh...what's that got to do with the price of rice in china?

Usully in such a pompous way that no one wants to continue long discussing *anything* with him.

Which nasty problems were those? And it hasn't *created* just as many?

And if you'd go through many of the posts on this forum, you'd find many people, me included, turn that off first thing upon install. AFAIC, it's garbage and is no better for a system than dragging the anchor on a boat that's in a race.

Looks to me like he's working hard on a decent init system. You?

I thought that wasn't how it worked? I though you just had to post some bollocks like "I'm a sysadmin of 20 years" and that was enough to automatically qualify everything I posted from thereon...

Ok for the sake of argument lets say "I know nothing of any of the init systems and you're the leet sysadmin of 20 years" what then? That means my opinion here is irrelevant/useless and you get to feel smug. But that also rules out everyone else in this thread who has not proven their in depth knowledge of init systems... except of course you, who claim to have 20 years experience with them. After 20 years of that I would not feel the need to post on the Slackware forum about systemd, I'd simply install and use the init system I wanted. I'd probably share that knowledge with other users of that distro also - maybe even maintain the package.

There is nothing stopping you from starting a Slackware-systemd project or contributing to an existing one. Slackware's Patrick Volkerding also doesn't seem keen on adopting systemd, so it may be that - as with gnome - it will remain a 3rd party effort - nothing wrong with that.

I am not a native speaker, would you mind to give some English lessons?

No way. In post 171 I attempted to make our discussion more technical ... it's hopeless.
In this thread you will mostly find "unix-way-philosopers".

I did. And it worked.

That's a damn good advice. But seems no none in this thread is interested in knowledge but defends his own opinion.
As for maintaining the package - I might be interested in it, but, as you said Patrick doesn't seem keen on adopting systemd.
I believe however that at some point he will have to adopt it anyway. Until then I wait.

Indeed, if sysvinit was so good, why don't *ALL* the distro's jump on board with zero arguing?

You don't need Patrick's approval, just do what dropline gnome do and maintain a 3rd party systemd implementation for Slackware. As I recall someone else was also interested in this and could probably use the help, especially as you have already successfully integrated systemd in Slackware for yourself and have it working with no issues.

The future is looking good. There is eudev available, the init scripts still work, systemd is ported and I see projects like openrc and runit coming soon.

Dare to name a flawless piece of software?


Man pages
http://www.freedesktop.org/software/...man/index.html

Entry point to numerous resources
http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/

And there are a lot more, follow links.


What?
Yes, chinese food is healthy and delicious (hope this information helps you with init systems).


Maybe it's a problem with your attitude?


Now I can hear sound from Firefox, Skype and videoplayes *simultaneously*.


Not a single one, not on my PC's, not on embedded devices for which I build distros.
What I did wrong?

(as for Avahi - I don't use it on my PC's, but it works like a charm on embedded devices).


Looks to me like he's chatting hard on forums about a decent init system.


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