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Old 08-22-2012, 02:50 AM   #196
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Old 08-22-2012, 03:08 AM   #197
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I have no other issues with a centralized Slackware-led documentation project except that I am uncomfortable to play any role in it. Purely a personal thing with me.
It's more "Quality Assurance" than "centralized".
 
Old 08-22-2012, 04:33 AM   #198
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please excuse the syntactic and orthographic mistakes as English is not my native language.
Sorry, I didn't notice any.

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Don't apologize for your English, Didier. You communicate more proficiently in that language than many Americans I know.
And many English that I know. Me, for instance. And I'm monolingual. Je ne parle pas d'autres langues, seul l'anglais mauvaises. (Merci, Google)
 
Old 08-22-2012, 04:40 AM   #199
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I have no other issues with a centralized Slackware-led documentation project except that I am uncomfortable to play any role in it. Purely a personal thing with me.
Well, it will be our loss if you leave the project. I think you did a pretty good job on the Slackware philosophy page.
 
Old 08-22-2012, 05:25 AM   #200
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Old 08-22-2012, 07:11 AM   #201
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I think the "copy the Slackbook" effort was started for (at least) two reasons:

1 - it would provide a bunch of Slackware content quickly
2 - (and more importantly, at least in my eyes) it would allow the Slackbook to be updated quickly

That being said, I don't personally feel that it really fits into a wiki setup in direct book form. I do, however, still support the idea. It would be easy enough to get the information in there, community edited and up-to-date, and brought together in it's own page or series (just like how Wikipedia can do 'Series,' these articles could have a 'This article is part of a series called Slackbook.' Or it could be a portal. Didier's ideas could also be portals...) If broken down into subsections, those articles could fit nicely into the wiki scheme while also being linked via a Slackbook series/portal/wiki-generated-ToC (using slackbook tag?)

As for the actual text, it seems inevitable that much of it will be revised and rewritten over time. I wouldn't sweat it, just like I won't sweat it when anything I write gets heavily edited. I just hope I'm not make more work for someone!
 
Old 08-22-2012, 08:14 AM   #202
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I think the "copy the Slackbook" effort was started for (at least) two reasons:

1 - it would provide a bunch of Slackware content quickly
2 - (and more importantly, at least in my eyes) it would allow the Slackbook to be updated quickly
I follow rinias on this idea. The Slackbook is a great project, but it's currently in a coma in some virtual no-man's-land. Placing it onto the wiki - all licence considerations taken, of course - would quickly revive it and significantly accelerate its completion. L'Union fait la force, as we say here. (But here in the South we also say "Ne remets pas à demain ce que tu peux faire après-demain", which is another story...)
 
Old 08-22-2012, 08:38 AM   #203
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Rather I am perfectly ready to participate in community projects where no single person takes the decisions.

I think, a Wiki should be a community project. There is far too much background thinking behind this. I see too many efforts to structurize and control this effort which will only stifle the contribution in the long run.
I agree that there seems to be too much background thinking behind this but that's exactly my point. We can't seem to be able to agree on one line of action. Lots of people are willing and eager to contribute, which is great but it brings some problems with it. There will always be someone who is not completely satisfied with the shape of things. I have my own idea of how *I* would organise it (my sketch of TOC) but I am more than happy to give it up as long as we agree on something.
 
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Old 08-22-2012, 09:30 AM   #205
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Old 08-22-2012, 09:32 AM   #206
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If SlackBook has to be ported to wiki, it has to be edited to change references to chapter numbers or sections to appropriate internal links. Also the markup may need some tuning. It is more than just copy/paste work.
Definitely. Still, it would give rather rough drafts which could be expanded upon, which isn't such a bad thing.

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I still think it's somewhat of a duplication of effort. Best to leave it to the choice of the contributors and the original authors.
I don't know if it's duplication of effort. That would imply that it is currently being worked on by at least two people. As much as we are grateful to Alan, I haven't been seeing any *cough* chew his ass out *cough* recently, so that might imply that there is a grand total of 0 people working on it. Unless we port it into the wiki.

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Problem with Dokuwiki is that it's not as advanced as Mediawiki in terms of categorization features. Probably needs a plugin.
Here I defer entirely to you, as I understand you installed it on your server to play with it.

The Slackbook may or may not be brought to the wiki, depending on the mood of the community. Personally, I won't see it as a big loss or big gain either way, as long as people find Slackdocs easy and informative. Once a typical response on the forum is "Check out the Slackdocs page," I think we'll be successful. Until then, I think it's best that we - especially forum trollers like myself - set ourselves about creating content instead of answering the same old questions.

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Old 08-22-2012, 09:34 AM   #207
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Already, the Wiki is beginning to take some shape.
Here, here! You (and others) have been doing a great job!
 
Old 08-22-2012, 09:40 AM   #208
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Old 08-22-2012, 09:44 AM   #209
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Hmm.. Now, I don't know :

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2012-08-17 New Slackbook, New License

We're progressing on the new slackbook and have finally settled on a license, the Creative Commons Attribution Share and Share-Alike license. You can find a copy of it in the COPYING file once you've pulled our latest git tree. Additionally, the beta has been updated. Feel free to browse it and send in any patches.

In order to tide you over a little bit and to solicit feedback on improvements from the community, I've posted a beta online here. Please send all comments, criticisms, suggestions, fixes, additions, and the like to me via e-mail. The book currently does not have an official license, but will likely be CC Non-commercial (with a commercial exception for Slackware Inc. of course).

If you want to take a look at the Docbook source code and send in some patches, you can grab the latest version from git with:

darkstar:~$ git clone git://slackbook.org/slackbook
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File Type: txt COPYING.txt (21.7 KB, 4 views)
 
Old 08-22-2012, 10:05 AM   #210
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it's the same license adopted for the material published on the wiki
 
  


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