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Somewhere in the Changelog Mr. V stated about waiting for a new kernel, if my memory serves me. I could be wrong.
Point releases are not new kernels only updates.
My wager is on 5.12
Just a wild guess because that could be considered a point release.
But I don't think he is waiting for 6.0.0 LOL
john
Somewhere in the Changelog Mr. V stated about waiting for a new kernel, if my memory serves me. I could be wrong.
Point releases are not new kernels only updates.
My wager is on 5.12
Just a wild guess because that could be considered a point release.
But I don't think he is waiting for 6.0.0 LOL
john
Yes !
Code:
Tue Apr 6 19:54:52 UTC 2021
Thanks to nobodino and ponce for help fixing a few sources that wouldn't
build properly. Overnight I tested recompiling everything using gcc-10.3.0-RC
and had no build failures, so we'll be taking gcc-10.3.0 once it (and new
kernels) arrive probably sometime next week. And then I think we'll be calling
this a beta. Cheers! :-)
I believe that the best way is to ship and maintain both of them.
Let's say the latest kernel as "kernel-desktop" and the LTS one as "kernel-generic", because no one can draw a common line between the interests of the ones who uses the distro as a desktop and the ones who uses it for business.
Today, the kernel development is explosive for those who not are The Blob worshipers.
Tons of new features are on both AMD and Intel sides, and they coming on each kernel iteration, so shipping and supporting only that particular LTS would be an enormous mistake, in my humble opinion...
As nobodino mentioned, there haven't been any announcements on what kernel(s) will ship with 15.0.
If I had to guess (and that's what everybody is doing here, guessing), 15.0 will ship with the latest LTS as the primary kernel. I'm hoping it will be 5.10, because I don't want to wait for the next LTS kernel, which will be released at the end of 2021. However, based on Pat adding 5.11 into testing/, I imagine he will ship the latest at the time non-LTS kernel in testing/.
I highly doubt that 15.0 will have a non-LTS kernel installed by default, but hopefully Pat will continue to provide the latest kernel in testing/. I don't suspect it will ship with 5.11 in testing/ because it will be EOL next month (since 5.12 will be released this month, probably this or next weekend).
With there being two kernel versions being steadily updated 5.10 and 5.11 I was wondering...
Has a kernel version been picked for Slackware 15? or is it still under review?
The reason I ask is that I've stayed with 5.4 due to issues with earlier 5.10 releases
I'm thinking it's time to give a kernel upgrade another shot, so I'm trying to get a feel for direction the kernel is headed.
Alternately, would it be better that I just stay with 5.4 for the time being?
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Originally Posted by LuckyCyborg
I believe that the best way is to ship and maintain both of them.
Let's say the latest kernel as "kernel-desktop" and the LTS one as "kernel-generic", because no one can draw a common line between the interests of the ones who uses the distro as a desktop and the ones who uses it for business.
Today, the kernel development is explosive for those who not are The Blob worshipers.
Tons of new features are on both AMD and Intel sides, and they coming on each kernel iteration, so shipping and supporting only that particular LTS would be an enormous mistake, in my humble opinion...
Quote:
Originally Posted by bassmadrigal
As nobodino mentioned, there haven't been any announcements on what kernel(s) will ship with 15.0.
If I had to guess (and that's what everybody is doing here, guessing), 15.0 will ship with the latest LTS as the primary kernel. I'm hoping it will be 5.10, because I don't want to wait for the next LTS kernel, which will be released at the end of 2021. However, based on Pat adding 5.11 into testing/, I imagine he will ship the latest at the time non-LTS kernel in testing/.
I highly doubt that 15.0 will have a non-LTS kernel installed by default, but hopefully Pat will continue to provide the latest kernel in testing/. I don't suspect it will ship with 5.11 in testing/ because it will be EOL next month (since 5.12 will be released this month, probably this or next weekend).
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Originally Posted by garpu
I wouldn't be surprised if it's 5.11. 5.10 has caused some problems for people using intel video cards with lockups.
To me (and Pat, I would presume), the "kernel game" is one that's not possible to "win".
It is a rather fast-moving target. And some kernels will nearly always fail for some people at some point.
As a distro-maintainer Pat has to weigh the pros and cons carefully, but yeah.. it's not a game that can be "won" per se.
The kernel provided with the distro at relase time needs to work on as many machines and hardware as possible.
It should also be a kernel that will get upstream (security-)updates for as long as possible. If not when the kernel gets EOLed the distro version using it will effectively be EOLed too (or at least so it can be argued). Upgrading kernel to a way newer one on an older distro may or may not be an option, but from what I gather, doing it can end up rather painful since there is at least a risk you break stuff by doing so.
I bet there are other considerations that needs to be taken into account too that I cannot think of right now.
In any case I think this is something Pat puts lots of thoughts and considerations into before he ends up on a final decision.
Even then the premise for the decision could change from under his feet the very moment after. Fun-fun.
In the end I am confident I can trust Pat will make decision as good as he can on this matter at the time.
Thanks
--
KarlMag
PS: I write this with the (probably flawed) assumption that all the readers *knows* how the kernel release process works.
That is (at the very least); when/after how long time a particular kernel branch gets EOLed, how LTS kernels fit into this,
and for how long LTS kernels will be maintained. Etc.
I would be really surprised. 5.12 is due out today or next week (depending on if Linus thinks it needs an rc8). That means that 5.11 is going to be EOL next month. I'd imagine that 5.12 will be replacing 5.11 real soon in testing/.
I still think that it will ship with an LTS kernel. Anything else would be too hard to keep up with security updates and trying to keep some semblance of stability. If Pat ships 15.0 with a non-LTS kernel release, he will either end up with an EOL kernel pretty quick or he will need to keep it up to date with the latest stable release, which will undoubtedly lead to the occasional buggy new kernel (just like what happened when 5.10 was initially added).
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