Hi,

Most probably. Don't see it on SBo, so I'm not sure if I'm gonna bother

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I do not understand the meaning of the title and Eric has the right to say what he wants.

Hi,

Trust me, neither do I understand the meaning of the title :^)

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Hi,

On Krusader: two things bother me:
1. There seem to be no tree view like in Konqueror. I know there is a kind of tree view, but the icons are not clickable in the way they are in Konqueror, that is in Konqueror with clicking the icon, you enter the directory, in Krusader, not.
2. Krusader seems to be not maintained currently and I was able to crash it a few times.

But still, it is worth trying.

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Andrzej Telszewski

jheengut --

The "All Eric's Fault" part was a joke <G>

And I agree with you: Eric has the right to say what he wants (<G> especially when he's 100% correct <G>)

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Not sure what you're wanting with the particular view you're wanting. I have mine setup as a 'detailed' view and I simply click on anything and it takes me to it (opens that directory, or that file with whatever app I have assigned to that type, etc).

Krusader is maintained, unfortunately it's only maintained by one or two devs. The mailing list is active. It may not have a whole lot of stuff going on in it, but if you ask a question, it gets answered by at least one person and quickly.

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If you like kpat you might enjoy Aisleriot, aka, sol. The "cards" are displayed better (nicer looking with rounded corners) and they scale better, that is, as you make the "table" bigger or smaller, plus you can use "click to move."
Just a thought.

https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Aisleriot

Oh silly one, as if I would let THEM change the background!
If they can research it themselves, well enough. Get into trouble and I can get them out, but setting a standard and recommending (not requiring, but recommending) that no one deviate unless they are ready to deal with downtime pays off. I get NO desktop calls on weekends!

Of course, it helps that of the local 44 of our 3000+ employees include 40 developers. It also helps that the manager here is a pretty fair tech. Only the sales reps are prone to breaking things they cannot fix themselves.

Still, your point is a very valid one. Your decisions on what to support and how depend heavily upon your user base, and for your user base a custom and specific Xfce install might avoid a lot of issues.

As as been stated before, this is very interesting. I have never been a fan of KDE myself.

I will say this about KDE. Although I don't like all the sounding bells and clanging brasses of the KDE desktop, I do like many of the configuration and diagnostic tools they provide, such as kinfocenter, just to mention one, in addition to applications such as Kate, Konqueror, Ksnapshot, Okular, and many more of the application suite.

Indeed, I guess you could say I like almost everything about KDE except for desktop interface itself.

That's just me.

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It really fascinates me that as different as PC users are there are certain things that enjoy unusually wide agreement. Huge numbers of people agree that Windows 2000 was the best Windows ever made from an overall perspective and also often from specific details (I've known several people who specifically praise mouse control in Windows 2000 and maintain that it has never been duplicated since). KDE 3.5 was the best DE that KDE ever made and many would say that anyone ever made.

It actually shocked me that KDE devs chose to so drastically change the DE. Why make sweeping changes on perfection? Minor tweaks? Sure! But wholesale changes? Hmmmm. The worst part, and I'm including having to wait so long for Nepomuk and cronies to finally "settle down" was that many changes made basic, common jobs far harder to accomplish and at no perceivable good tradeoff.


For example you just installed a new app and for whatever reason you wqant to have a Desktop Shortcut Icon. In 3.5 you rt-clicked on the desktop and the popup menu clearly stated "Add a shortcut to an Application" (or URL, etc) and !Ba Da Bing! you were done. Oh...didn't like the icon? Click on Properties and then the icon and be directed to the database of icons, try one or 5, finally choose and !Ba Da Boom!, Done!. That process is painfully longer and far less intuitive in Plasma with the only important tradeoff being near infinite scalability on an individual basis. As cool as that is, it is hardly sufficient payback for losing simple, intuirive processes more commonly required.


Around this time I hung out on KDE's own forums for a couple years and it did finally sink in that Plasma was an attempt to make the Workstation experience all-encompassing. I even saw how Activities could/would extend virtual desktops to make the GUI spare and clean and devoted to specifics. Unfortunately for me, it made my SOHO Desktop experience more difficult and requiring of a lot mor work to get it close to my preferences. That would've been kinda OK if someone truly benefited from The Plasma Way but I really don't see many people extolling the virtues of how it made their lives, or even jobs, easier/better. Instead I found myself having to disable a LOT to get close to my liking and after a few years of that, as much as I like of KDE, it was just easier to use Xfce with maxed out KDE support, and reading this and other threads leads me to believe I am nowhere near alone in this.

So how can KDE continue to justify (or rationalize) these broad, sweeping changes that have alienated so many or am I just not exposed to some niche that absolutely considers Plasma a GodSend? All I know for certain is that any company (or group with a product) that loses touch with and even disrespects it's own clientele is generally doomed. KDE has so much to offer that I'd really hate to see that happen but then again Enlightenment is looking like it's on the developmental fasttrack without losing sight of what Desktop Users enjoy most which rather pleases me since circa 2001 I was impressed with Enlightenment on IBM OS/2 even though I liked Workplace Shell. It was just that Enlightenment wasn't as slavishly devoted to IBM's Object Programming agenda and allowed me...well...Freedom. That's what KDE seems to have lost sight of... Freedom. (How do I type that with a Scottish accent and a two-handed sword?)

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I know the saying, "it ain't broke, don't fix it," but I think there is some aspect of human nature in at least part of the answer to the question.

On some level, I think developers sometimes get bored and want to do something new just because they can, not because it's needed.

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I have tried Aisleriot, there was something that I didn't like about it. It was possibly that I couldn't change the number of suits that I want to play with in Spider. Sometimes I like to play with 2 suits and sometimes 4. Kpat lets you change the number of suits. But Aisleriot does have a bigger selection of games.

I also have kpat working on Cinnamon with only kpat, kdelibs and libkdegames from KDE 4.14.

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But to go along with that, there's also "it ain't broke, but it could be better." While many may believe that KDE 3.5 is the best KDE that will ever exist, after I got used to the differences with KDE4, I actually prefer that. I remember reading that Eric prefers Plasma 5. But, if KDE had remained only in "bug fixing" phase since their 3.5 series, I'd imagine there'd be a lot of people out there saying that they're stagnating and other DEs are doing more for the community.

Whether or not that is accurate is entirely up to the user's perspective. Some may be happy with a non-changing desktop, others may desire those innovations (and bugs along the way).

If people are desiring KDE 3.5, have any of them tried Trinity desktop (TDE)? It supposedly continued with KDE 3.5 when the developers moved on to 4.x. I was happy enough with 4.x when it was first introduced in Slack that I never felt a need to go back to 3.5.

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Agreed. On the one hand, sometimes change is progress.

On the other hand, there's Gnome 3 and Unity.

Maybe I'm an outlier, but I like my overlapping windows, thank you very much.

Why on earth did some developers decide that my wide-screen monitor needs an interface designed for an Android G-1? Inquiring minds want to know.

Also, get off my lawn. Grump, grump, grump.

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