Just a thought.. You guys are all Americans, right?

Much like service supervision, it depends on how you define that term... care to be more specific?

(And I am sure that we are dangerously off topic at this point, I'll go take a cold shower )

Well, you currently live in America or are from America and watch a lot of American media (including reading or browsing American newspapers, blogs, etc).. Just to be clear, I'm not trying or going to insult you.. It's just that, you have that "democracy sucks, anarchy rules"-type of personality commonly found on Americans these last couple of years...

i think i see where astrogeek is going... i think s/he is trying to infer that s/he is from north/south america but maybe not the united states of america ?

Hmmm.. fair enough.. well, I was referring to the United States..

astrogeek got it

the word democracy means people (have) power (or people rule, to be more in context)
that is impossible in this "new age"
and the modern version of democracy is even more absurd

to give another perspective on it, the men in black quote "a person is smart, people are dumb"

also, no, i am not american
democracy sucks everywhere (except, maybe, in France, idk)

edit: it also has nothing to do with great software
just because some one voted that one program is better then others, it is probably not

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HAHA! An even more ill-defined term! Let's not go there.

One major mob I refer to goes largely by the name "American", so I do not apply that title to myself.

I can only speak for myself, geographically I have managed to survive on the North American continent for most of my life, with a few years and some extended travels spent in other places.

My perspective has not been formed in a "couple of years", but has a continuity over my lifetime from a mostly wonderful early life at peace and at liberty, through the raising of my own children into adulthood and beyond.

In all that time I have never been a participant in the local or extended pitch-fork weilding mobs found here, nor have I been a silent bystander. That has made me the recipient of my own slow and sometimes violent lynching at the hands of those who do participate, or stand aside.

These have been on a murderous ramapge for some time now, and I think as we watch current events we will come to see that the psychosis has indeed entered the suicidal phase as most maniacally homicidal cults always seem to do.

That gives me some small hope for the future, perverse as that may be...

I'm an American unfortunately living in the Union of Socialistic Amerikans...

I haven't read the first few pages of this thread.

should a mod move the last couple of pages to the 'general' forum.

there is a 'key and peele' skit about how the vote doesn't automatically get counted towards the presidential election (only the electoral vote gets counted).

I think from social studies I remember that democracy is a government where the citizens vote for their leaders. so that definition that would make the us a federated republic ?

Correct. The United States of America by definition is a:

Constitutional Federal Republic that follows the Democratic Process

The USA is not a democracy. It has never been a democracy. It shall never be a democracy.

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the united states of mexico ?

I doubt democracy in France is different, but you should really think about what democracy is... Just because something is ill-implemented, it doesn't mean it's bad.. Declaring yourself a republic and redefining the word doesn't make you a republic...

Anyway, democracy is still the most advance form of government we have (even if you're a democratic republic, democratic monarchy or democratic anything you want)... Ironically, it's one of the two forms (the other being anarchy -- which allows the paradox "Everyone should do what they want, but if they do like me") that actually allows you to express an opinion different from the unified accepted one..

Stop watching republican TV.. USA is not even close to being a socialistic country, unless you count the banks and coorporations as the poor guys...

You're only deflecting the question, but I get your point.. Anyway, the reason I asked is because you and the few others that started bashing democracy are smart, inteligent people focused, clearly, on the wrong things.. Why are you thinking and bashing the fact that a group of people can actually change things and not thinking how you and your ideeas can be part of those changes... If we we're to extrapolate this behavior in the IT world, well.. See the constant, ignorant bashing of systemd (ReaperX's posts are a perfect example of this) when the same time could have been spent discussing the good parts of systemd, the shortcomings and what do we really need or expect from an init/supervisor (hell, one developer even clearly asked for this)... But the fact is that you guys would bash anything that simply doesn't fill your point of view.. And you spend a lot of time doing that on a forum which is, well, pretty democratic...

Ahh.. anyway, I'm just ranting.. don't mind me.. We should really get back on-topic..

I'll quote myself for this:
Btw, your constitution only specifies that a state will always be it's own republic ... making the country more likely a federation... But political words are thrown around and redefined everyday, so what do I know..

Democracy is a recent evolutionary stage of despotism, with illusory freedom of choice, enabled due to exploiting normal distribution of intellect within population by manipulation and deception. Dictatorship through foolish majority.
Advanced knowledge in social engineering, modern communication and surveillance technology and controlled mass media make it easier than ever. Influence way of thinking from earliest age by education system. Law and financial systems preserving status quo.
It should be noted there are few countries with elements of true direct democracy like Switzerland, leaving at least some chances, however not in fundamental and systemic affairs, of course.

It won't never change when people would believe the need to entrust somebody else with power, surrender their own.

I'd agree we are strongly off-topic here.

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True. Each state is it's own republic by definition. Those are at the state level, but the federal government which oversees all the states as a country on the whole, is a federation as a collective republic of republics as well... namely put usually as a Federal Union.

The Constitution gives the Federal Government enough power to sustain the country as a republic at the federal level, while maintaining each state was it's own defined republic as well.

However, each state does have the ability to join or leave the Federal Union of Republics that comprise the USA, but only by unanimous vote both of the state's or territory's population (51%, I think but am not certain, required vote to join officially) and the US Congress (100% vote required to leave or join).

The problem of a Direct Democracy is if 51% of the population ever voted to end democracy, and become a totalitarian authoritarian state, an autocratic theocracy, a dictatorship, etc. it would happen.

Yeah we did kinda un-shoe the ol' horse a bit here.