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Old 02-19-2015, 10:55 AM   #16
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Vivaldi looks like what we got promised by Opera when the switch to WebKit was announced...
Agreed.

Who from the original team left Opera and why? Just curious.
 
Old 02-19-2015, 04:18 PM   #17
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Being a PITB for me in Salix.

https://vivaldi.net/forum/vivaldi-br...tion-slackware
 
Old 02-21-2015, 04:00 AM   #18
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try to browse this website without javascript. it's not that you can't navigate this site - you don't see anything at all.

i doubt that people who put up such a website are able to create a sane browser.
 
Old 02-21-2015, 07:09 AM   #19
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try to browse this website without javascript. it's not that you can't navigate this site - you don't see anything at all. i doubt that people who put up such a website are able to create a sane browser.
It works in Opera 12 (with Javascript enabled of course). People telling me all the time such "modern" web sites can't work in Opera 12, because its rendering engine is too old.
 
Old 02-21-2015, 09:49 AM   #20
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For years I've been using opera because it used to be smaller and
faster than most of the other browsers. But lately it's been following the same trend of most browsers and I get more and more crashes.

Two of the people who were behind opera in 1994 started a new project,
vivaldi.
From what it stays on their web site
(fast, very keyboard oriented, ...) sounds attractive.
Tried it on Win 8.1. Must say it made a great first impression. Delighted to see some of the original Opera team behind it.

Configuration choices out of the box already much better than what Chrome and the new Opera deign to give us. Really hoping this continues to improve.
 
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Old 02-21-2015, 10:30 AM   #21
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try to browse this website without javascript. it's not that you can't navigate this site - you don't see anything at all...
I have not problem viewing the site with lynx, which does not have Javascript...
 
Old 02-21-2015, 10:39 AM   #22
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I have not problem viewing the site with lynx, which does not have Javascript...
I tried that too, and also with links.

Still, I agree with dederon: a website should be accessible to people not using javascript, maybe with less features but at least allowing basic navigation. Unless the website designers claim that the problem occurs because of a bug in Firefox, of what I am not aware.

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Old 02-21-2015, 08:55 PM   #23
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It's because of some idiotic CSS.

In Firefox: View -> Page Style -> No Style

And voilá - the actual text will show up.

links, lynx, elinks et. al. don't do CSS, therefor the text is shown.

And then they use some crazy JavaScript to probably change the CSS and make the text appear. Whatever.

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i doubt that people who put up such a website are able to create a sane browser.
I very much agree.

NoScript is very good at exposing clueless web designers/web developers.

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... you don't see anything at all. ...
Not quite true, isn't it. You do get a huge spinner.
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Old 02-22-2015, 09:02 PM   #24
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A review by Jesse Smith on Distrowatch.com,

http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?is...150223#vivaldi

One correction, it was two years ago that Opera switched to the google/chrome/chromium/blink engine, not one, as stated in the review.
 
Old 05-08-2015, 04:54 AM   #25
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I have a script to make a Slackware package for Vivaldi. When I get a moment I'll share.
Yeah, so I never did do this. On the plus side I have a lot of spare time on my hands at the moment so I'll clean up the script and make it public in the next few days I reckon. In the mean time, here is a generic, cross-distro Vivaldi install script. It can even do a network install or be used to create self-extracting installation packages.
 
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Old 05-08-2015, 08:00 AM   #26
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Well it's available at SBo.

Just tried it... it works. (had to bump the version though)

But I see no advantages as to why to use this closed-source browser, so it was removed from my system as quickly as it was installed.

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Old 05-08-2015, 08:04 AM   #27
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Well it's available at SBo.

Just tried it... it works. (had to bump the version though)
Yeah but the SBo version is not as fancy as mine. :P

Those familiar with my latest-$browser scripts will understand why.

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But I see no advantages as to why to use this closed-source browser, so it was removed from my system as quickly as it was installed.
Maybe it is not for you but the feature set is quite different and is very interesting to some of us. Particularly long term Opera users.
 
Old 05-08-2015, 07:00 PM   #28
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Yeah but the SBo version is not as fancy as mine. :P

Those familiar with my latest-$browser scripts will understand why.



Maybe it is not for you but the feature set is quite different and is very interesting to some of us. Particularly long term Opera users.

I really do miss the "feature set" of Opera 12.16 and earlier (pre-google/chrome-clone Opera), but isn't Vivaldi just another google/chrome-clone knock off? Certainly looks it.
 
Old 05-10-2015, 02:46 AM   #29
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I really do miss the "feature set" of Opera 12.16 and earlier (pre-google/chrome-clone Opera), but isn't Vivaldi just another google/chrome-clone knock off? Certainly looks it.
Firstly, it looks nothing like Chrome, not least because of the "flat" design and because the UI changes colour to match the current tab (configurable of course). Secondly it has numerous features not found in Chrome, for example:
  • Visual tabs
  • Tab stacking
  • Tab (stack) tiling
  • Tab bar positioning (top, bottom, left, right, hidden)
  • Tab switching in most recently used order
  • User-configurable Speed Dial (with nested folders)
  • Panel (with downloads, bookmarks, notes, etc.)
  • Customisable keyboard shortcuts
  • Image toggling options
  • Spatial navigation
  • ...

EDIT: See the screenshot and tell me it looks like a Chrome "clone". If are claiming that it is a clone because of the commonality in rendering engine rather than its feature set, then why don't you call Chrome a Safari clone or perhaps a Konqueror clone?
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Old 05-10-2015, 09:12 AM   #30
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My, my, aren't we touchy!

I've installed it 3 or 4 times since it became available, the last time using your script, and, yes, it is very similar to chrome, chromium and the "new" google/chrome-clone-Opera. Take a look at the setup screens, as one example.
The only thing uglier than Vivadli's graphics is the KDE 5, but, then I haven't seen windows 10, yet, which, from what I've read, is what all the lemming developers are trying to copy.

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