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Old 01-20-2016, 03:29 PM   #1
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any reason why Slackware can't keep ALSA while adapting PulseAudio?


I've been reading the threads about recent PulseAudio development on slackware. One thing that's unclear to me is why Slackware needs to drop ALSA to support PulseAudio. can't developers keep both and let user decide which one to use?

being a former Debian user, I've been trying out different non-systemd distros, Slackware being one of them. does this move mean eventually Slackware will use SystemD like Debian?
 
Old 01-20-2016, 03:41 PM   #2
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I've been reading the threads about recent PulseAudio development on slackware. One thing that's unclear to me is why Slackware needs to drop ALSA to support PulseAudio. can't developers keep both and let user decide which one to use?
Actually, PulseAudio on Slackware won't even work if ALSA support is removed. We are not taking away anyone's choice of which sound system to use, just setting a default upon installation.

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being a former Debian user, I've been trying out different non-systemd distros, Slackware being one of them. does this move mean eventually Slackware will use SystemD like Debian?
This has absolutely zero to do with systemd. PulseAudio is not a systemd canary.
 
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Old 01-20-2016, 04:28 PM   #3
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One thing that's unclear to me is why Slackware needs to drop ALSA to support PulseAudio.
It didn't.

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can't developers keep both and let user decide which one to use?
They did.

Where did your confusion come from?

And if Slackware ever adopts systemd, it would probably be the single most carefully-considered decision in the distribution's history. For that reason alone, I'm not worried.

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Old 01-20-2016, 04:49 PM   #4
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I am sure if someone absolutely did not want PA on their system, they could just remove it and BlueZ,and continue to use Alsa for everything else. No?
 
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Old 01-20-2016, 05:16 PM   #5
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Old 01-20-2016, 05:25 PM   #6
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I am sure if someone absolutely did not want PA on their system, they could just remove it and BlueZ,and continue to use Alsa for everything else. No?
No, because Slackware's packages are linked against Pulseaudio now. You'd have to rebuild SDL, Phonon, GStreamer, MPlayer, etc, for example.

EDIT: to clarify, I meant "etc" as in "et cetra"

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Old 01-20-2016, 05:54 PM   #7
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No, because Slackware's packages are linked against Pulseaudio now. You'd have to rebuild SDL, Phonon, GStreamer, MPlayer, etc, for example.
Thank you for clarifying.
 
Old 01-20-2016, 06:06 PM   #8
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I did already rebuild some of these things, locally, but I don't have disk space or memory to build qt/kde.
If qt will be linked in the future I may have to remove smplayer and a few more packages.

SDL - Done
Phonon - Removed
GStreamer - Downgraded to 0.10
MPlayer - Done
etc - ??
qt - ??
kde - Depends on Phonon/Removed
xfce4 - Done
 
Old 01-20-2016, 08:40 PM   #9
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Yeah, ALSA is the audio drivers and subsequent utilities, runtimes, and other libraries.

PulseAudio is an audio playback and routing server (think of it more like Xorg, dhcp, or apache) that manages audio input and output ports, connections, etc.

It's not my most favorite software, but it works and makes dealing with audio setups less stressful.
 
Old 01-20-2016, 09:12 PM   #10
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Actually, PulseAudio on Slackware won't even work if ALSA support is removed. We are not taking away anyone's choice of which sound system to use, just setting a default upon installation.



This has absolutely zero to do with systemd. PulseAudio is not a systemd canary.
Thanks for the information Patrick, i can sleep relaxed!
 
  


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