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Old 03-11-2011, 11:44 AM   #16
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Oh, piffle. He wasn't reviewing anything negatively or complaining. He made a request for information about action which would be of dubious legality at best. If he's right, he has nothing to worry about. If he's wrong, then he shouldn't be bull****ting us in the first place. I don't go around playing sheriff, but I hate to be bull****ted. If WSJ even bothers to respond (which they probably won't), we'll find out whether
  1. he has nothing to worry about, or
  2. he's been bull****ting us.


I understand. And I love the word "Piffle."

You do have a point, and he has no place here. Especially asking what he is.
 
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Old 03-11-2011, 12:09 PM   #17
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Let the record show that ghantauke has edited the title of the thread. The old title:

The new title:

It's clear he's becoming a little nervous. His justification for editing his original post (edit time: 8:32AM PST) is "too many people misunderstanding". Changing the title won't help the participants in the thread understand better; it will just change the search results so he's less likely to be caught.

No matter. He's made such a vigorous defense of the legality of what he's doing that now he has me curious. I've sent electronic mail to Daniel Bernard, Digital Product Chief, The Wall Street Journal Digital Network, with a link to this thread. If I hear back from him, I'll convey the results.
I just wish you had put that effort into helping me out instead of wasting it on some useless stunt like that. It is hilarious to see your lack of knowledge of this subject since you decided to send the mail to someone linked to WSJ. The legal issue here lies with the Penn Treebank Project and has nothing to do with WSJ Digital Network. Send an email to them to get it right this time. It also seems that you lack knowledge in the department of lawsuit. A lawsuit based on a mere forum post? On top of it I never even mentioned I wanted an illegal copy. How nervous should I really be I wonder. I think you should stop your blind accusations and stop threatening me with lawsuits since it cracks me up to see someone talk about things which he has no idea about.

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That's quite possible, if you got it from an acquaintance. You might not have committed a crime, but it's almost certain that if you got it this way, your acquaintance has violated the terms of the license under which he got it.
I requested it from a university so it was a legal copy. Unfortunately the university has the file only in that format so they told me to try and find it elsewhere.
 
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Old 03-11-2011, 12:50 PM   #18
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I just wish you had put that effort into helping me out instead of wasting it on some useless stunt like that. It is hilarious to see your lack of knowledge of this subject since you decided to send the mail to someone linked to WSJ. The legal issue here lies with the Penn Treebank Project and has nothing to do with WSJ Digital Network. Send an email to them to get it right this time. It also seems that you lack knowledge in the department of lawsuit. A lawsuit based on a mere forum post? On top of it I never even mentioned I wanted an illegal copy. How nervous should I really be I wonder. I think you should stop your blind accusations and stop threatening me with lawsuits since it cracks me up to see someone talk about things which he has no idea about.
Sorry, but if you already have a copy in one format, and it only requires you to install an older version of tgrep to translate it into a current tgrep2 format, it seems like a very easy thing to do. Gets you what you need, and you don't have to worry about anything with licensing, etc. Your complaining about "doing proper research", etc., is also (as you put it) hilarious. If you already HAVE a copy, and already know how to translate it, you wouldn't need ANOTHER copy in a different format. The tgrep2 site, as well as many of the sites you can find with Google, has plenty of instructions on how to install tgrep, and how to perform the data conversion. The site I linked to previously has that information as well.
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I requested it from a university so it was a legal copy. Unfortunately the university has the file only in that format so they told me to try and find it elsewhere.
Again, no one here is going to help you steal. If you want it for free, and your 'university' already has access to it, then you should follow those channels, and use those resources, to get what you need.
 
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Old 03-11-2011, 01:21 PM   #19
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Sorry, but if you already have a copy in one format, and it only requires you to install an older version of tgrep to translate it into a current tgrep2 format, it seems like a very easy thing to do. Gets you what you need, and you don't have to worry about anything with licensing, etc. Your complaining about "doing proper research", etc., is also (as you put it) hilarious. If you already HAVE a copy, and already know how to translate it, you wouldn't need ANOTHER copy in a different format. The tgrep2 site, as well as many of the sites you can find with Google, has plenty of instructions on how to install tgrep, and how to perform the data conversion. The site I linked to previously has that information as well.

Again, no one here is going to help you steal. If you want it for free, and your 'university' already has access to it, then you should follow those channels, and use those resources, to get what you need.
As I said countless times the older version of tgrep has got some serious bugs in the installation file. I sat there for 5 days non-stop trying to debug the installation files but still didn't manage to get it working. Do let me know if you know how to make it work. Also for the last time I'm not telling anyone to point me to an illegal source. Perhaps links to universities which would dispatch it on request to students doing a degree on a related topic? Its just an example doesn't necessarily have to be that. I did ask my university regarding this but since the module involving this had been removed about 10 years ago, there isn't much they can dig out except for the .crp file. Seriously if you can't think of anything helpful then don't bother posting for the sole purpose of calling me a stealer.
 
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Old 03-11-2011, 03:22 PM   #20
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As I said countless times the older version of tgrep has got some serious bugs in the installation file. I sat there for 5 days non-stop trying to debug the installation files but still didn't manage to get it working. Do let me know if you know how to make it work.
Countless times? This makes two. And since you don't say what version/distro of Linux you're having problems with tgrep on, or what error(s) you get, how can anyone here help you get it working? We'll be glad to assist you, but you need to provide details, if you're going to ask that question.
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Also for the last time I'm not telling anyone to point me to an illegal source. Perhaps links to universities which would dispatch it on request to students doing a degree on a related topic? Its just an example doesn't necessarily have to be that. I did ask my university regarding this but since the module involving this had been removed about 10 years ago, there isn't much they can dig out except for the .crp file. Seriously if you can't think of anything helpful then don't bother posting for the sole purpose of calling me a stealer.
Thought of several things helpful, and posted them, but you ignore what we've all told you. You persist in asking for 'free' copies of something you say you already HAVE. Convert it with tgrep. Got problems installing tgrep? We'll be glad to help you work through them. Open a thread, post the details, and we can help. Otherwise, there's not much we can do for you. We're not calling you a 'stealer', but we are continuing to tell you that we're not going to give you something (either emailing it or giving you links) that you have to pay for, for free. Either buy it or get it elsewhere.
 
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Old 03-11-2011, 04:15 PM   #21
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Got problems installing tgrep? We'll be glad to help you work through them. Open a thread, post the details, and we can help. Otherwise, there's not much we can do for you.
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Unfortunately, I cannot install tgrep in my machine as its outdated and has a lot of bugs in the installing process which I have spent days to try and debug to no avail. I have started a thread concerning that but I gave up debugging it because its too much trouble. This thread is for the alternative approach.
If only you bothered to read the thread before you posted a reply.

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Either buy it or get it elsewhere.
Yes I am considering to buy it but I don't see any harm in doing some research before I spend my hard earned cash on something. If you can post a source that confirms that I can't get it legally without buying it then I'll give up. Prove to me that your assumption of getting a free copy is only possible by stealing is true. Until then I'd appreciate if you stopped spamming your slogan "No one is going to help you steal". I never asked for any such thing in the first place. Make your answers consistent to what I'm asking for.
 
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Old 03-11-2011, 08:17 PM   #22
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If only you bothered to read the thread before you posted a reply.
I did. Which is why I said you only mentioned a problem TWICE, not 'countless times'. And I'm sure others do too, especially since you've asked multiple questions about tgrep, and marked THREE OF THEM AS SOLVED:
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...e-file-866671/
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...-found-866639/
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...e-path-867326/

One of those threads gives you the syntax for installing the tgrep package via dkpg, but you didn't follow up with that, but marked it solved.
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Yes I am considering to buy it but I don't see any harm in doing some resarch before I spend my hard earned cash on something. If you can post a source that confirms that I can't get it legally without buying it then I'll give up. Prove to me that your assumption of getting a free copy is only possible by stealing is true. Until then I'd appreciate if you stopped spamming your slogan "No one is going to help you steal". I never asked for any such thing in the first place. Make your answers consistent to what I'm asking for.
I have, but you don't appear to be paying attention. Once again, if you've got an old copy, and the knowledge on how to convert it, then nothing is stopping you. You originally asked for a copy of the Treebank for free, and still do. It isn't up to ME to prove to YOU you can't get it for free. Contact the authors/organization, and ask them...that is the best and only reliable way to do it. Anything other is secondhand knowledge. You keep asking for something you have to pay for, for free...ask the authors for a free copy, or buy it. Those are you choices.

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Old 03-12-2011, 09:41 AM   #23
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I did. Which is why I said you only mentioned a problem TWICE, not 'countless times'. And I'm sure others do too, especially since you've asked multiple questions about tgrep, and marked THREE OF THEM AS SOLVED:
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...e-file-866671/
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...-found-866639/
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...e-path-867326/

One of those threads gives you the syntax for installing the tgrep package via dkpg, but you didn't follow up with that, but marked it solved.

I have, but you don't appear to be paying attention. Once again, if you've got an old copy, and the knowledge on how to convert it, then nothing is stopping you. You originally asked for a copy of the Treebank for free, and still do. It isn't up to ME to prove to YOU you can't get it for free. Contact the authors/organization, and ask them...that is the best and only reliable way to do it. Anything other is secondhand knowledge. You keep asking for something you have to pay for, for free...ask the authors for a free copy, or buy it. Those are you choices.
The dkpg method was suggested after I had marked the question as solved and unsubscribed from the thread. I won't be reading anything from that thread as I already said I have given up on the debugging since I've spent way too much time on it already. I passed the debugging job to the university support staff who'll look into it next week. This thread was strictly meant for only those who could provide me some information about the WSJ Penn Treebank corpus. Also, I had already send an e-mail even before starting this thread, to the PTP project and Linguistic Data Consortium (LDC) staff asking for information. I haven't heard back from them and there is a good chance that I won't be. My only choice left was to ask for information in forums for which I was blatantly criticized for. By the looks of it there isn't much information available here regarding this so I'll mark this question as solved to spare all of us from further wasting our time.
 
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Old 03-12-2011, 11:07 AM   #24
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By the looks of it there isn't much information available here regarding this so I'll mark this question as solved to spare all of us from further wasting our time.
"Solved" with respect to the questions you had, perhaps. But we had another question: Were we being bull****ted? And I say "we had", because ...
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Also, I had already send an e-mail even before starting this thread, to the PTP project and Linguistic Data Consortium (LDC) staff asking for information. I haven't heard back from them and there is a good chance that I won't be.
This kind of gives us a clue.
 
Old 03-12-2011, 12:18 PM   #25
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"Solved" with respect to the questions you had, perhaps. But we had another question: Were we being bull****ted? And I say "we had", because ...

This kind of gives us a clue.
"Do not post if you do not have anything constructive to say in the post."
I have already marked the thread solved and on top of it your post has nothing to say related to the original topic.
"Flame wars will not be tolerated according to LQ rules."
It is clear that you want to start one because if you genuinely didn't want to start one, you would report my post rather than post a reply with vulgar word.
Its either that or you haven't read the LQ rules. If you haven't done so here's the link to it. LQ Rules
 
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