Developement suggestion; standardised integrated educational comand tip feedback box

Siljrath · 04-25-2007, 09:40 PM

incase you cant pick it out from the waffle, my open email to linus torvalds (to the universe in general really, he just sprung to mind at the time) as i've posted below, is about:

standardisation of the one line tip box just above (or bellow) the entry line box for all command line interfaces

aka

integrated educational tip feedback (or something even more pompous)

principally, and secondly, suggestions on,

command line boxes on all gui interfaces
command translator funnel (Delta Babel Salmon)

and various other ramblings about voice technology, and end users becoming developers just by the very briliance of the software alone. we all know slackware users get smarter about their machines than windows or even suse users.
the software is a teacher, if that gets forgotten at a developement level, then the next generation end up with nothing more than an unmanageable custodian. (yuvall seen that episode of ST next gen right?

)

there needs to be the ease of way from user to developer, and i see no easier path than to make them one and the same. there is no faster way to get there than to be there.

anyways, like i was rabbittin on about earlier....

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suggestion for the betterment and acceleration of betterment and recruitment of developers and to the betterment of those developers... the uptake of the standardisation of the one line tip box just above (or bellow) the entry line box for all command line interfaces (a vision of mine which includes the inclusion of command line boxes on all gui interfaces... all. oh the possibilities from man pages and so on)

further to this... some kind of command translator funnel, which could accept all possible (and even select most likely intended) commands.

grock with me baby!

with the voice technology around already...
... people don't speak like computers?
we do now.
and computers can speak like humans.
its all doable. ... just connect some dots.

beyond the standardisation of the command tip bar & command translator funnel (with optional voice/audio interface) is the idea of increasing the open hood on the dashboard style of software. ooh, am i the first to say that? am i that clever? haha. Open-Hood-On-The-Dashboard-Software... OHotDS. though, this is really beyond that term too... because this is putting not just mechanic tools in the hands of the end user, but designer, developer tools, tools to tinker with and the power to do it in their own manner of speaking. in their own manner of speaking.
the ubuntu chaps, in their PR shpeal, they've got the right ideas, some of the right philosophy embodied fairly well in the free software legal papers, the stuff that inspired me to ditch doze and go nix 100%, the stuff about community, the stuff with an anarcho bint to it, the freedom, the open-non-endingness of it, who knows where we could go, the potential advantages we could get along the way... a work force of about 100 people & half of them are programmers. wow. a workforce of about 10% of your end userbase & mostly programers. wow wow. a workforce where EVERY user is guarunteed to become proficient to safely be programing just by the very nature of the software itself!? OH WOW! educational feedback. let the man(pages) speak for him(it's)self... in the comand tip bar. the educational feedback bar. the tip feedback bar. let it be, so that no matter what is entered in the computer, something more is learned both by the user and the computer. information exchange.

surely your word carries greater ripples than most. if you have the capabilities to envision potential futures,... as i suspect you do from reading what little i have from you... then i encourage you to muse upon this, contemplate it for a bit... it reallly brings the open source at its best to the user, and thats something that will leap it continually warp speed away from the aging dinosaurs... it's like the apeman discovering fire, and the ability to weild it. ... yes... i stole these ideas from the gods., the'll not be pleased.. erm, better make good use of it or they'll be even more upset*******

*******transmission terminated due to increasing incoherence and waffling on tangents to the ideas presented. that being, COMMAND EDUCATIONAL FEEDBACK BAR (INPUT TIP BAR) STANDARDISATION and the additional ideas of COMMAND TRANSLATOR FUNNEL (DELTA BABEL SALMON*)

*HitchHicker's Guide Entry
The Delta Babel Salmon is named such for it's similarities to the Babel Fish, except, the babel fish could fit a great many times inside the much larger Delta Babel Salmon, indeed, could fit in the very viens of the Delta Babel Salmon, which continually swims upstream, and ever getting larger, in an attempt to consume the entire stream. it's flesh , considered a delicacy by some of the more barbarian species of the galaxy who have not yet taken to the benefits of vegetarianism, is pink, pinkish red really. this colouration comes from a strange harmony that occurs between the frequencies of the pigmentation processes and the colour you would get if you were to take the all the noise made in the universe, remove it all but the noise of irate end-users tapping furious abusive expletive commands at command line interfaces from the days before the implementation of the educational feedback bar and the OHOTDS (open hood on dashboard software)

cheers, Digit.

ps, can i be your understudy sidekick for a "work experience" dooda or somat?

*digit leaves the holodeck and issues the command "computer, delete all files pertaining to copyright legalities linked to this communication pertaining to the hitch hikers guide to the galaxy, such as any kind of "infringement", from anyone's computer in the world." to which the computer vocally retorts, "This request will alter data on other people's hard drives, they will be notified you are doing this and be presented with your request. Would you like to proceed?" with a read out on the wall suggesting better grammar and various short hand computer notations to derive the same or similar results, and the top most likely alternative interpretations of my last command, as if it did so with an ambivilent, ascerbic, serene, lifeless, joyful & conent, smiling as if it knew its place in the universe and that someone's vision had been fullfilled.*

--
The Universe speaks in many languages, but only one voice. The language is not Narn, or Human, or Centauri, or Gaim or Minbari. It speaks in the language of hope; It speaks in the language of trust; It speaks in the language of strength, and the language of compassion. It is the language of the heart and the language of the soul. But always, it is the same voice. It is the voice of our ancestors, speaking through us, And the voice of our inheritors, waiting to be born. It is the small, still voice that says: We are one. No matter the blood; skin; world; star; We are one. No matter the pain; darkness; loss; fear; We are one. Here, gathered together in common cause. we agree to recognise this singular truth, and this singular rule: That we must be kind to one another, because each voice enriches us and ennobles us, and each voice lost diminishes us. We are the voice of the Universe, the soul of creation, the fire that will light the way to a better future. We are one.

anyone know where the best place to make this suggestion?
(tips on how to better make my suggestion are also welcome)

who makes command line? oh dear.... i must still seem such a hopeless olddoze user with no chance of climbing what loooks like giant insurmountable mountains of programming/developer capability with command line competency.
anyone know where the best place to make these suggestions?

GRKON!

pixellany · 04-27-2007, 06:07 AM

Could you repeat the question???

Seriously--long rambles like this are a waste of everyone's time. It would be much better to summarize the main ideas and then let the details come out in the discussion.

Siljrath · 12-19-2007, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by pixellany

Could you repeat the question???

Seriously--long rambles like this are a waste of everyone's time. It would be much better to summarize the main ideas and then let the details come out in the discussion.

the question was "where should i make this suggestion?"
...and how to refine it.

the suggestion was to add tips and suggestions feedback in real time at the command line.
perhaps referencing to man and help files.

i'd cite an example to clarify what i mean, but as the intended audience for this, i have no idea of any commands nor what the suggestions might be.

... there just gotta be a way to make the software be the mentor.

-edit, ^ the shortned version with the juiciest ideas edited out
-2nd edit... has this been moved to the non nix section? or was i stupid enough to put it here?

chrism01 · 12-19-2007, 05:25 PM

hmmmmm, can I get sub-titles (English) for that lot? The summary version please. In particular, define with example(s) exactly what you are on about.

gnashley · 12-20-2007, 10:13 AM

Linus Torvalds doesn't have anything to do with what you are complaining about. he is not involved in the development for *programs* which run under the Linux kernel.
You might try complaining to the folks at gnu.org opr the freesoftware foundation, but I doubt they'll be listening unless you are submitting patches to all the hundreds of programs they maintain which implement your suggestion...