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Old 06-04-2005, 12:41 AM   #1
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Question Should the iso section for LinuxFromScratch be moved to ... ?


I went to 'download' the 'iso' for Linux From Scratch from http://iso.linuxquestions.org and found that both 'iso 1' and 'iso 2' were not iso's at all.

So since you cannot get an iso of Linux From Scratch at all, shouldn't the iso section for Linux From Scratch be deleted in favor of moving LFS to either Linux Links or Book Reviews as all you can 'download' from LFS.org is either the gzipped tarball or a acrobat pdf?


Right now as it stands being an 'iso' download, it, the download option for 'them' as being non-iso (cd or dvd) makes it well, confusing and also seems rather strange to new people (newbie, novice and guru) that LFS would even be at iso.linuxquestions.org.
 
Old 06-04-2005, 09:27 AM   #2
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The main reason for the iso section is for downloads but it doesn't always mean or restrict itself to being an ISO. I find the links helpful for those searching for LFS to be able to download the book and manuals by searching thru all available distributions.

Last time I checked, LFS is classified as a Distribution so it still deserves its spot in the ISO section. And clearly I hope others can differentiate an ISO from other files. Most who seek to install LFS realize that its a Linux from Scratch setup, not a burn ISO, install OS type OS..
 
Old 06-05-2005, 11:42 PM   #3
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when a distro is not a distro it's lfs

well LFS being in the Linux - Distribution forum LFS is another story since it's NOT a distro, it's a doc HOWTO, which is why I mentioned the ISO bit at iso.linuxquestions.org.

I still think its weird that there is a distinction of verbage that the tarball/pdf have a link of a ISO when they are not.


The "link" to download either tarball or pdf of the book can easily be added as a link if LFS is in Book Review or it's a Linux Link, so "download ease" for those who are searching for it/them is not a real point for it/them to be in the Download Linux section as the "Download Linux" part denotes.

One isn't downloading Linux when you are downloading LFS because it's NOT Linux, it's a book!

So your reasoning, trickykid, has me baffled. ::
 
Old 06-06-2005, 02:36 AM   #4
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trickykid,

If a book called Linux From Scratch can ocupy both an ISO Linux download link and both a Linux Distribution forum, when will we see other online books that are about Linux and downloadable being added as an ISO Linux Download link and a corresponding Linux - Distribution forum for it?

Obviously ANY Linux book that can be downloaded should be added to the LQ.org Download Linux section because it's a convenience to have it there in the Linux Download section as opposed to say, a LQ.org Linux Link that has the download link for the book also besides the main homepage to the author's site.

And of course all books that go "download" need to have a forum here if they are about a Linux distro that doesn't have a forum for the main distribution of the same name because the book is mightier than the computer or the sword/pen, no?

Sarcasm aside, you see how, well, 'odd', your statements are that the book is easier to download, etc.


There are many a Book Review that have download links for the 'free' doc's the author or publisher is offering in the LQ.org Book Review section which again brings me back to my suggestion that the "Download Linux" ISO link for Linux From Scratch be deleted since it's NOT a distro, it's a book. Books belong in Book Review and ISO's belong in Download Linux, or am I mistaking the nomenclature between the definition of "ISO" versus "BOOK"?


Jeremy,

What do you think?
 
Old 06-06-2005, 03:09 AM   #5
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Lightbulb

I just posted the Linux From Scratch 6.0 Release book in the LinuxQuestions.org Book Review - Linux O/S section complete with download links for all formats the book comes in and I also put the homepage link for linuxfromscratch.org as well.

Check it out and then think about the iso.linuxquestions.org LFS page.

Instead of deleting the reviews, if it has any, you can just merge them with the Book Review for LFS I just posted, if there are any....

As for the ISBN or lack thereof, I guess, for LFS LQ.org should make an exception for it since it's so popular!
 
Old 06-06-2005, 06:31 AM   #6
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Re: when a distro is not a distro it's lfs

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One isn't downloading Linux when you are downloading LFS because it's NOT Linux, it's a book!
So you have the job now to go tell all those that installed their LFS from reading the LFS book that they aren't using Linux..

LFS is a particular distribution, it just doesn't come with a fancy installer like the others, you just have to build it yourself.

So I'm baffled to see your reason why you think its only a book..

It stays how it is.. LFS gets its own ISO section for the book download and the packages downloads and well, Book Reviews are made by Jeremy, he'll determine if it should have a spot there as well.

But bottom line is, LFS is a Distro, has always been a distro and always will be one!
 
Old 06-11-2005, 06:40 AM   #7
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When I finish my "custom distro howto manual" will or can it be added to the LinuxQuestions.org ISO section since that's the standard for Free Open Source books here at LQ.org?

Also, later on, will a forum be made for it since there's one for Linux From Scratch (LFS)?????
 
Old 06-11-2005, 08:00 AM   #8
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When I finish my "custom distro howto manual" will or can it be added to the LinuxQuestions.org ISO section since that's the standard for Free Open Source books here at LQ.org?

Also, later on, will a forum be made for it since there's one for Linux From Scratch (LFS)?????
blah blah blah blah.. blah.. are you here literally to bitch about things or help others? Sorry, your just really starting to get irritating.
 
Old 06-11-2005, 08:24 AM   #9
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It's listed on www.distrowatch.com, therefore I think it can be legitimately considered a distro. Unless you wish to convince Distrowatch otherwise?
 
Old 06-11-2005, 08:37 AM   #10
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It's listed on www.distrowatch.com, therefore I think it can be legitimately considered a distro. Unless you wish to convince Distrowatch otherwise?
Or the thousands that use it everyday..
 
Old 06-11-2005, 01:16 PM   #11
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If the manual includes a support subsystem such as LFS with a similar underlying community and infrastructure and is listed at Distrowatch it would be more than welcome at LQ ISO and LQ.

--jeremy
 
Old 06-12-2005, 08:45 AM   #12
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Or the thousands that use it everyday..
So if Distrowatch is insane and says to jump off of a bridge, will you do it?

I say this because a book cannot be burned into a CD if it's not an ISO to be burned when it's listed in the ISO section.

A horse is a horse, of course of course, except to DistroWatch

Then, a book is a distro.

So then, the FreeBSD Handbook needs an ISO link, and the Linux Documentation Project needs a Distro Link because they are books and DistroWatch just hasn't been keeping up with the right thigns to call distro's even if millions of people download it, it's still a book no matter what ANYONE says. It's NOT an ISO that can be used to create an image with CD/DVD creation software. Case closed.

Maybe the clocks are turning backwards and I just don't see that no one seems to understand what the dictionary says about BOOK and ISO.

traickykid,

open up your CD/DVD creation software and make a CD from the ISO of LFS at iso.linuxquestions.org, ok?

Tell me if it's bootable. Tell us all in fact.
 
Old 06-12-2005, 09:47 AM   #13
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traickykid,

open up your CD/DVD creation software and make a CD from the ISO of LFS at iso.linuxquestions.org, ok?

Tell me if it's bootable. Tell us all in fact.
First of all, spell my name correctly if your going to address me.

Secondly, what were trying to tell you is that LFS is a distro and classified as a particular distro, its not one you find in iso form but you have to download the packages to build yourself.
Though our distro download section is called ISO.linuxquestions.org, that in no way restricts us from only having ISO's listed in there. LFS is a under different circumstances. Quit trying to take the logical approach to this simple minded solution, come out from under your hole and think outside of the box for once..

Basically in other simple to understand language, we are not creating a whole new site for LFS just to have a links section to it, so it will stay in the ISO pages as it deserves to be listed there as a Distribution.

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Old 06-12-2005, 09:58 AM   #14
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t3gah do you actually post anything to help others or do you just post to criticise the site and its layout? You have opened a poll with a similar topic regarding LFS even though you were getting feedback in this thread.

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Old 06-12-2005, 10:13 AM   #15
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t3gah do you actually post anything to help others or do you just post to criticise the site and its layout? You have opened a poll with a similar topic regarding LFS even though you were getting feedback in this thread.
t3gah,

I'm getting tired of the reported posts that members are submitting pointing to threads and posts you have started. It seems your irritating members with your persistance on the same ongoing dramatized fetish with changing this site, its layout and how we do things here. Your the only member here who has a problem with most of the suggestions you bring up.

Make all the suggestions you want. But what you need to realize is that not all suggestions will be implemented or changed cause you want them or asked for them. Respect our decisions we make, if it's either denied, not implemented or actually implemented. But don't persist, your only going to annoy us like you have so far.

No means no, there's no reason to drag it out especially after good reason on why we don't do things how you see fit here.
 
  


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