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Old 03-05-2015, 12:51 PM   #1
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I delete the post for inconvenience.

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Old 03-05-2015, 01:12 PM   #2
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Hi There;
I would like to buy a important book about database,


however, I can not, since I am living outside the USA, so the pdf is not available for me. Is there anybody to be a volunteer to be a customer? I can pay for that purpose.
Thanks in advance.
No, thanks, and please read the LQ Rules about region circumvention. Post reported.
 
Old 03-05-2015, 01:19 PM   #3
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No, thanks, and please read the LQ Rules about region circumvention. Post reported.
I ever do not thought that it is a circumvention. Actually I could not understand the reason of this restriction. If it is a forensic violation, I can delete the post.
 
Old 03-05-2015, 01:41 PM   #4
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I ever do not thought that it is a circumvention. Actually I could not understand the reason of this restriction. If it is a forensic violation, I can delete the post.
You're asking someone to buy something, which you both know and ADMIT, is illegal either to export TO you, or to own in your country...and you don't understand??
 
Old 03-05-2015, 01:49 PM   #5
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You're asking someone to buy something, which you both know and ADMIT, is illegal either to export TO you, or to own in your country...and you don't understand??
The sentence appear in my browser is :"Access to this content is not available in your country at this time."
is there a word "ILLEGAL" appear in this text?
 
Old 03-05-2015, 02:20 PM   #6
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The sentence appear in my browser is :"Access to this content is not available in your country at this time."
is there a word "ILLEGAL" appear in this text?
Kind of splitting hairs, aren't you??? Since you posted that exact message, wouldn't that seem to you, that it means it is not something you have legal access to??? Again, either that information is not LEGALLY exportable to your country, or your country has deemed it illegal to access. Nothing unclear about it.

Either way, you DO NOT HAVE rights to access it. Regardless of the personal feelings of anyone regarding such things, either your country or the owners of the content have deemed it off-limits to people in your country.
 
Old 03-10-2015, 10:14 PM   #7
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No, thanks, and please read the LQ Rules about region circumvention. Post reported.
I checked the LQ rules and saw no such thing. Region control in general is absurdly stupid.
That said, what the OP is asking really doesn't belong here and could be potentially risky (scam/fraud risk..etc)
 
Old 03-10-2015, 11:37 PM   #8
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would like to buy a important book about database,
however, I can not, since I am living outside the USA, so the pdf is not available for me. ..
Disregarding the part about buying a pdf for you and you refunding me (this justifiably probably has a rule against that somewhere)...
region control is not always implemented by the author. Often times the author has no clue this is occurring and contacting them about this may even get you a copy from them directly or some other resource.

So - before we launch nukes for the OP's desire to learn about databases, I'd like to know what the book is and who the publisher is.

Also, I've had this addon for a little while, I think the EFF featured it awhile back. Basically, it assists people with contacting authors of papers behind paywalls asking them to release in a non-paywall format. I don't know if this applies, but it may be of use since it's designed around enhancing communication between reader/author.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/fir...utton/?src=api

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Old 03-11-2015, 01:54 AM   #9
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// Since this is partially a discussion about LQ and the LQR I've moved the discussion to LQS&F.
 
Old 03-11-2015, 08:58 AM   #10
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I checked the LQ rules and saw no such thing. Region control in general is absurdly stupid.
That said, what the OP is asking really doesn't belong here and could be potentially risky (scam/fraud risk..etc)
I absolutely agree with the stupidity of region control and DRM in general. And the LQ Rule I'm talking about is the one about warez/piracy or any topic that could be damaging to LQ, and I apologize for misquoting it.

Regardless of my personal feelings about this (and again, I TOTALLY agree that DRM and region encoding is idiotic), we can't help someone 'get around' the laws/rules in their area.
 
Old 03-11-2015, 01:13 PM   #11
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What makes you think there are laws involved? The merchant might just not have been ready to deal with the red tape that comes with doing business with that particular country.

If you're reading "it's illegal there" from the text of the message that he got, then you're reading something into it that isn't there.

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Old 03-11-2015, 02:38 PM   #12
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What makes you think there are laws involved? The merchant might just not have been ready to deal with the red tape that comes with doing business with that particular country.

If you're reading "it's illegal there" from the text of the message that he got, then you're reading something into it that isn't there.
Oh? Either the merchant didn't deal with the red tape (and because they didn't, aren't legally allowed to sell in that country), or the merchant has export restrictions based on location. Either way, the OP is bound by a law...either in their country, or the country of origin.
 
Old 03-11-2015, 02:51 PM   #13
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Oh? Either the merchant didn't deal with the red tape (and because they didn't, aren't legally allowed to sell in that country)
Which would leave them free to sell to a middleman in a country that they *are* are able to sell to. Which is what the OP was proposing.

There are tons of importers who operate in that legally white area.

So yeah, TB0ne. "Oh.".

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Old 03-11-2015, 03:14 PM   #14
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The stance I think we take at LQ is that the benefit of doubt should go to the member. While we cannot and will not help with explicitly illegal things, I don't think it's in our best interest to assume the worst case or try to assess implied motivations.

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Old 03-11-2015, 04:07 PM   #15
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Which would leave them free to sell to a middleman in a country that they *are* are able to sell to. Which is what the OP was proposing.

There are tons of importers who operate in that legally white area. So yeah, TB0ne. "Oh.".
...which brings us full-circle to "The OP IS NOT LEGALLY ALLOWED to purchase the item"...period.

If they choose to get it gray-market (and that is what your 'legally white' area IS), that's up to them, but it does not make it legal. If a third-party purchases the item, they ALSO agree to those terms when the purchase is made legally, which is, not to re-sell outside the export zones (in the event of the country-of-origin not allowing export), or the OP's PURCHASE of the item, which could be restricted by THEIR laws.

There is no way for you to spin this and make it 'legal'. Either the OP's country has banned the material or the country of origin is not legally allowed to sell in the OP's country. There is no way of knowing which in this case, but it is an either-or, and neither is legal. Those 'tons of importers' rise and fall with each arrest for violations of export laws.

So yeah, dugan..."oh".
 
  


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