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Old 01-30-2002, 08:59 PM   #1
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Question Wheel Mice - What's the big deal?


Okay - this is a long and complicated situation, concerning the scroll wheel on mice. I've read and read and read and read some more concerning this topic on many many websites, docs, readmes, etc. They all pretty much say the exact same thing, including posts on this web site. Bottom line, none of them work.

I personally went out and bought many different varieties of mice.... Microsoft Intellimouse, Logitech, Microsoft Optical's, IBM Wheel and Opticals, Generic Wheels, you name it, I've just about tried it. They all vary in results slightly, but with the outcoome all realitively the same, which is.... the wheel mouse not working, or the pointer jumping around the screen like crazy and getting stuck in a corner, this usally being caused by the ImP2/2 protocol.

Okay so thats a brief history.. I have a lot of mice, a lot of configs and no results. I have tried ALL the same recommendations so far.. those being:

Zxismappings - Tried many combos of this, 4 5, 5 6, hell even 1 2, and 6 7.. I can't tell that this command does crap. Nothing changes.

Protocols - PS/2, ImPS/2, Mouseman, etc. just about everyone. Result: The mouse moves, or it runs around like crazy and gets stuck in a corner.

3rd button: Now this is the simpliest, yet I can not get this to work, on ANY mouse. If I use xmodmap and change my bindings from 1 2 3, to 1 3 2, then my second mouse button, does what the 3rd will do (yes I have the Options Button 3 command in the XF86Config-4, I wish it was that easy).

The most luck I have had out of any of the mice, is the IBM Optical Navigator mouse, which is a 4 button mouse (including the wheel as a button). Using a basic XF86Config-4 file, nothing fancy, the wheel mouse when I move it, will move my cursor up and down on the screen, in large sections.. meaning it will jump from the top to the middle, to the bottom, on each scroll.
But again, the 3rd button will not work (the wheel button), or the 4th, when configured for 4 buttons in the XF86config. Other than that, it acts like all the others.

Nothing magical here... I don't understand what is so damn difficuilt about this. Not to be rude to anyone, but please don't respond stating " Well, do you have the ZAxis mapped " or " You gotta put Options Button 3 in for the 3rd mouse to work " type of replies... That will save us all a little grief. Been there done that, many times. Unless there is something besides what all the dozens of web sites, posts and readmes' say.... then I've tried it... unless you're just SURE about it.

I've also tried the IMWheel program, and others like it.. to no avail. Some claim to have this working... if this IS the case, I'd like to know what distribution you're running, your EXACT cut & paste config and the exact mouse you have. I know there are a lot of us out here struggling with this issue.

I'm running RH 7.2, 2.4.17 Kernel, latest version of everything.

Ok I'm done

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Old 01-30-2002, 09:35 PM   #2
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my wheel's working fine - it's logitech, and on the back, it says "First/Pilot Wheel Mse"

here's my XF86Config, running on X4.1.0, kernel 2.4.17:

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Mouse0"
Driver "mouse"
Option "Device" "/dev/mouse"
Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2"
Option "Emulate3Buttons" "off"
Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
EndSection
 
Old 01-30-2002, 09:47 PM   #3
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I have that exact mouse - and doesn't work. Running XFree86 v4.1.0 .... have tried that EXACT config. Makes my mouse stick in the corner of the screen, and if I try to move it, it blows up a bunch of menus and does all kind of weird stuff... like all the others. Something has to be different...........

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Old 01-30-2002, 11:37 PM   #4
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weird. are you using a usb/ps2 changer? that's the only thing i could think of that could cause problems.

since you're having this problem with different mice, it's possible that there's a hardware problem with the connection between the mouse and the port - i had a problem once where the mouse would constantly and inexplicably jump to the lower-left hand corner and click up menus all the time - and it turned out that the problem was a frayed wire inside the mouse cord. the problem manifested itself in windows by randomly crashing the whole box. changing the mouse fixed that. if you're not having mouse problems in windows (assuming you're dual-booting) then i'm stumped.

...one more stupid question, (and please don't be insulted) - you're not un/re-plugging mice in the middle of the X session, are you?

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Old 01-30-2002, 11:57 PM   #5
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Yes, I am using an USB-to-PS2 changer on all the mice (a different one for each mouse, not the same changer)... and keep in mind, I have about 5 different mice, and all do the same thing. They all work fine in Windows on this machine, but as soon as I put in the IMPS/2 protocol, they do EXACTLY what you described about jumping to the lower left hand corner and clicking on menus and such.

And no, I'm not changing mice while in X .. I kill X and switch mice, and reload X.....

Guess I could try USB - but have no clue how or even if USB mice will work with X.

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Old 01-31-2002, 12:06 AM   #6
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And no, I'm not changing mice while in X .. I kill X and switch mice, and reload X.....
ok... - just making sure. i'd hate to be at this for three more days and find out that was the prob.

i know i read something about usb/ps2 connecters causing problems somewhere before. i'll look around some more, and let you know if i find anything.
 
Old 01-31-2002, 12:18 AM   #7
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YOU ARE THE MAN.... I would have never though about that... I dumped the USB to PS/2 changer - reconfiged for a USB mouse, started X .. and it works like a CHARM!

That damn PS/2 conversion wasn't working right. I'm so happy I could almost cry..

I wonder why that PS/2 connector doesn't work right.....

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Old 01-31-2002, 05:30 PM   #8
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The program imwheel can make mice go crazy as well. imwheel was written when gnome and kde did not support wheel mice, now that they do you can get conflicts with imwheel, if you have it installed and use a recent version of gnome/kde then you should uninstall it.
 
Old 01-31-2002, 09:24 PM   #9
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Well it never did do that - in fact I can't tell that it does anything. It looked like a poor excuse for a replacement/fix to me.
 
Old 01-31-2002, 11:08 PM   #10
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YOU ARE THE MAN....

...woman. .
 
Old 02-01-2002, 12:53 AM   #11
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i dont bother answering mouse questions since a mouse is a 10 dollar piece of hardware, and going out and buying anything by logitech or microsoft will fix the problem.
 
Old 02-01-2002, 01:18 AM   #12
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LOL - I love newbie's like yourself who don't know jack. Typical comment and waste of bandwidth. No clue.
 
Old 02-01-2002, 03:19 AM   #13
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YOU ARE THE MAN....

LOL

She's the Moderator-babe


and I am using USB on one of mine, but one has a usb/ps2 adapter.



on my laptop I have used both

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Old 02-01-2002, 04:15 AM   #14
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LOL - I love newbie's like yourself who don't know jack. Typical comment and waste of bandwidth. No clue.
ahem....

you werent calling me a newbie now were you?

lol
 
  


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