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I've never come across a website that I couldn't stream data from so I'd be interested to hear which websites you are having difficulties with.
Try www.rtlnieuws.nl for example. I can get videos to play, but not on the first click and it tends to pauze more often than in Windows MediaPlayer.
Then try www.cnn.com and try playing a video there, such as the live cnn democratic debate. It doesn't work for me.
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I don't mind manually editing it. It's rather do it manually and know it's being done right.
Only if the manual is complete, and I find it lacking in documentation for specific hardware such as my Logitech MX500. As you said yourself: you need to search google. Well, I don't want to search google, I want the hardware I paid good money for to come with documentation and software for my operating system.
And why exactly wouldn't the configuration be done right with a GUI?
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But then I am a Slack and FreeBSD user so I'm used to manually editing config files
And I use Arch Linux, so I'm used to manually editing config files as well. That doesn't mean I like to: I just *need* to, as it is inherent to the way the Xorg server work, but I learn absolutely nothing interesting from knowing how to edit it. I'd rather have spent that time reading a good book.
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I can't speak for the iPod firmware as I don't own one but surely iTunes store is just a website and can be browsed in Opera / Firefox.
To begin with Opera and Firefox cannot synchronize/manage music on my iPod, thus these are not the all-in-one solution that iTunes is. Furthermore, have you actually tried it? I get the following message: "We are unable to find iTunes on your computer."
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VLC is pretty damn advanced, it just doesn't advertise itself with the same 'bling' as iTunes (not that I'm suggesting iTunes is bad for doing so).
If you have the time and motivation to configure it the way you want it then imo it's head and shoulders above the competition. It's ability to play every format 'out of the box', sync across networked boxes, video-wall plug ins etc make it a formidable video player. Even for just MP3s it's highly capable with it's playlist can be accessed by telnet, HTTP, and a few other networking protocols. It supports mouse gestures, winamp skins... the list goes on.
I have been using it for years to watch my movies, and am aware of many of the features you mention. Nevertheless, it is no substitute for iTunes and unfortunately it also lacks a decent browser plugin. It does work, as I previously mentioned, with the MediaPlayerConnectivity plugin in Firefox, but that is not embedded video anymore.
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Well, I don't want to search google, I want the hardware I paid good money for to come with documentation and software for my operating system.
And why exactly wouldn't the configuration be done right with a GUI?
If you want a GUI, I recommend Kubuntu or Ubuntu. It auto-configures some of the most difficult hardware.
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And I use Arch Linux, so I'm used to manually editing config files as well. That doesn't mean I like to: I just *need* to, as it is inherent to the way the Xorg server work, but I learn absolutely nothing interesting from knowing how to edit it. I'd rather have spent that time reading a good book.
I use Gentoo, so configuration files are not at all alien to me either. If you don't like using them, don't use Arch.
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To begin with Opera and Firefox cannot synchronize/manage music on my iPod, thus these are not the all-in-one solution that iTunes is. Furthermore, have you actually tried it? I get the following message: "We are unable to find iTunes on your computer."
Try using Amarok or some other all-in-one media player. They usually can use a music store without trouble.
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I have been using it for years to watch my movies, and am aware of many of the features you mention. Nevertheless, it is no substitute for iTunes and unfortunately it also lacks a decent browser plugin. It does work, as I previously mentioned, with the MediaPlayerConnectivity plugin in Firefox, but that is not embedded video anymore.
Try the Xine Mozilla plugin. It'll play just about anything. Amarok can use the same backend (Xine) and acts as a great substitute for iTunes.
If you want a GUI, I recommend Kubuntu or Ubuntu. It auto-configures some of the most difficult hardware.
I know what Ubuntu can do, because I already use Ubuntu (check out the "distribution" field under my username). It does not have the specific GUI I was talking about, and the Gnome mouse configuration tool is a complete joke IMHO. Besides, I do *not* want anything to be configured automatically, I want to do it myself with a GUI. And as I mentioned earlier, I want the hardware manufacturer to respect my choice of OS and support it just as much as Windows or OS X.
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I use Gentoo, so configuration files are not at all alien to me either. If you don't like using them, don't use Arch.
What does not liking to configure Arch have to do with anything? I use Arch because it is i686 optimized and runs extremely fast on my PII laptop, so I simply put up with the lack of user-friendliness.
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Try using Amarok or some other all-in-one media player. They usually can use a music store without trouble. ... Amarok can use the same backend (Xine) and acts as a great substitute for iTunes.
Amarok is not a great substitute for iTunes since it sometimes fails to synchronize music on my iPod and causes my iPod to be ejected. It also does not look nice (the progress bar during transfer, for example, doesn't even work properly), and frankly features an unintuitive interface. Neither does it provide access to the iTunes music store and it cannot even rip CD's in Apple's aac.
So preferably, I'd appreciate it if Apple would be so kind to provide me with a port of the iTunes software, which is why I posted the request in this here LQ thread, which was started for exactly this purpose.
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... Try the Xine Mozilla plugin. It'll play just about anything.
I've tried Xine, Totem, Mplayer and even the VLC plugin. Only Mplayer seems to play *almost* everything, but playback is not always smooth (in spite of tweaking options, such as cache size) and the interface looks terrible. For these reasons I request a port of Windows MediaPlayer. Just out of curiosity: have you tried playing the clips on the websites I mentioned in my previous post? Do they work for you?
I've never come across a website that I couldn't
If you have the time and motivation to configure it the way you want it then imo it's head and shoulders above the competition. It's ability to play every format 'out of the box',
Um, I did an altavista search on imo and didn't come up w/anything related to video/sound that I could recognize - what's imo? Tnx.
Amarok is not a great substitute for iTunes since it sometimes fails to synchronize music on my iPod and causes my iPod to be ejected. It also does not look nice (the progress bar during transfer, for example, doesn't even work properly), and frankly features an unintuitive interface. Neither does it provide access to the iTunes music store and it cannot even rip CD's in Apple's aac.
So preferably, I'd appreciate it if Apple would be so kind to provide me with a port of the iTunes software, which is why I posted the request in this here LQ thread, which was started for exactly this purpose.
I've tried Xine, Totem, Mplayer and even the VLC plugin. Only Mplayer seems to play *almost* everything, but playback is not always smooth (in spite of tweaking options, such as cache size) and the interface looks terrible. For these reasons I request a port of Windows MediaPlayer. Just out of curiosity: have you tried playing the clips on the websites I mentioned in my previous post? Do they work for you?
I want to jump in here, if I may: I like to stream internet radio to remote speakers using an Apple Airport Express ("base station", as they call it). iTunes and Airfoil (both on Windows and Mac OS X) are the only software I am aware of that will do this. Does anyone know of Linux software that will??
There are tons of bittorrent clients for linux, eg. Ktorrent, Deluge, Azureus, Gnome Bittorrent just to name a few
kTorrent is a gem. It's a uTorrent clone and supports protocol encryption to get past any traffic shaping or filtering services. I can't recommend Azureus though, being written in Java it's hella slow and just a general pain.
For a solid, low-resource client I use Transmission. Simple and it performs well on slower systems.
I know what Ubuntu can do, because I already use Ubuntu (check out the "distribution" field under my username). It does not have the specific GUI I was talking about, and the Gnome mouse configuration tool is a complete joke IMHO. Besides, I do *not* want anything to be configured automatically, I want to do it myself with a GUI. And as I mentioned earlier, I want the hardware manufacturer to respect my choice of OS and support it just as much as Windows or OS X.
I've mostly used Kubuntu, and actually the mouse configuration is quite nice under that...
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Amarok is not a great substitute for iTunes since it sometimes fails to synchronize music on my iPod and causes my iPod to be ejected. It also does not look nice (the progress bar during transfer, for example, doesn't even work properly), and frankly features an unintuitive interface. Neither does it provide access to the iTunes music store and it cannot even rip CD's in Apple's aac.
Actually, I'll admit that wasn't my experience (the iPod-related stuff). What version of Amarok did you use?
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Originally Posted by JunctaJuvant
So preferably, I'd appreciate it if Apple would be so kind to provide me with a port of the iTunes software, which is why I posted the request in this here LQ thread, which was started for exactly this purpose.
I don't think that will happen.
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Originally Posted by JunctaJuvant
I've tried Xine, Totem, Mplayer and even the VLC plugin. Only Mplayer seems to play *almost* everything, but playback is not always smooth (in spite of tweaking options, such as cache size) and the interface looks terrible. For these reasons I request a port of Windows MediaPlayer. Just out of curiosity: have you tried playing the clips on the websites I mentioned in my previous post? Do they work for you?
Well,
rtl.nl is in a language I don't speak.
cnn.com uses Flash, not regular streaming media. It works for me.
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I've mostly used Kubuntu, and actually the mouse configuration is quite nice under that...
I recently tried KDE4, and I do not recall being able to configure everything just as I could with the Logitech utility. Maybe I overlooked a different mouse menu?
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Actually, I'll admit that wasn't my experience (the iPod-related stuff). What version of Amarok did you use?
The one currently being used in Ubuntu 7.10, I have no access to my desktop computer right now, so I can't verify the version. But it's quite up to date and I tested it recently. I got an error message, and then the ipod just unmounted itself. GtkPod just works much better, if you ask me.
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I don't think that will happen.
Maybe it will, maybe it won't. Still, no harm in asking is there?
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cnn.com uses Flash, not regular streaming media. It works for me.
I'm afraid not all of CNN uses flash. If you try the cnn *live* stream, which doesn't use flash, you will find that it doesn't play. I get an "Unsupported Platform Error".
Try www.rtlnieuws.nl for example. I can get videos to play, but not on the first click and it tends to pauze more often than in Windows MediaPlayer.
I can't read dutch so I'll have to take your word on that I'm afraid
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Then try www.cnn.com and try playing a video there, such as the live cnn democratic debate. It doesn't work for me.
I think that's the website removing the content on unsupported platforms (eg Linux) rather than the platform being incompatible.
Try changing your browsers user agent to disguise itself as Windows (there's a firefox plugin which will do this).
But from what I can see from the live stream it looks more like lazy web development rather than Linux not being up to the job.
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As you said yourself: you need to search google. Well, I don't want to search google,
That's just plain lazy. Sorry mate but it is. The mouse clearly doesn't advertise itself as being Linux compatable so why should you expect it to work "out of the box"?
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And why exactly wouldn't the configuration be done right with a GUI?
LOL didn't you just make a point that the GUI tools for configuring the mouse didn't work correctly? ;-)
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Originally Posted by JunctaJuvant
And I use Arch Linux, so I'm used to manually editing config files as well. That doesn't mean I like to: I just *need* to, as it is inherent to the way the Xorg server work, but I learn absolutely nothing interesting from knowing how to edit it.
Except how to get the device working in the first place. Why spite yourself with half configured software out of laziness?
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I'd rather have spent that time reading a good book.
Personally I'd rather have all the hardware I paid for working correctly - but each to their own.
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To begin with Opera and Firefox cannot synchronize/manage music on my iPod, thus these are not the all-in-one solution that iTunes is. Furthermore, have you actually tried it? I get the following message: "We are unable to find iTunes on your computer."
That's Apples evil lock ins in action. There might be a Linux work around - but alas you fear google ;-)
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Originally Posted by JunctaJuvant
I have been using it for years to watch my movies, and am aware of many of the features you mention. Nevertheless, it is no substitute for iTunes and unfortunately it also lacks a decent browser plugin. It does work, as I previously mentioned, with the MediaPlayerConnectivity plugin in Firefox, but that is not embedded video anymore.
I hate embedded video so I personally don't see that as a downer.
I recently tried KDE4, and I do not recall being able to configure everything just as I could with the Logitech utility. Maybe I overlooked a different mouse menu?
The previous poster didn't specify KDE 4 - chances are (and I am making an assumption here) he's still using KDE 3 (like most KDE users currently are)
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