Hi there!

In my opinion the best days of Linux (be it Redhat, Debian, Ubuntu ...) are over.

Now I am looking for reasons and want to see if there are connections to some things that happened.

So, what I found out so far:
- Debian Jessie came out in June '18
- The first Rasberry Pi was released in '12

The information I haven't found yet is the answer to the question when MS said that Windows 10 will be the last Windows.

Is there anybody who knows the answer?

TIA

Gregor

I just don't understand what is it all about. Also I cannot see any question.

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Read the first two sentences.

You know what a question mark is? ;-)

Regards,

Gregor

linux is not over. If you think so you need to see those reasons. I can't find any.

I think this is offtopic here. You did not ask anything ("do you know the answer?" itself is just meaningless without a real question)

Technically the first two sentences ended at the phrase "are over", but I'm assuming that you're encouraging pan64 to re-review your opinion that "the best days of Linux are over, and that you're looking for reasons, as well as trying to determine if occurrences of merit also explain this.

It would genuinely help if you correlated any of those thoughts. You seem to be soliciting opinions from others, meanwhile offering your own opinion that you feel the OS's best days are over. You haven't explained any reasons why you believe, or theorize, this is so.I'm sure they do, as do I. There's one right here:How can we know the answer? This seems to be an opinion-based question.

I'm not inclined to research a specific answer here. I have worked with Linux, both on products containing it, as well as development tools. I don't feel it is going away or decreasing in use. I don't think development on the Linux OS, applications, drivers, and related topics has ceased.

Perhaps as opposed with arguing that someone doesn't see your points, perhaps you can more clearly relate why you hold these opinions. People are fine discussing, both opinions, as well as discussing information from references. One opinion has been introduced by you, I disagree. No references have been provided, by you or myself, but I'm going by my industry experience. But also to note that new or revisions to applications are generally released with Linux support as well as Windows and MacOS. Similarly updates to, and new Linux distributions are continually under development.

The question is this:
The answer is "no and I don't care", because the opinion in the second sentence of the post is unqualified nonsense, and the findings are inaccurate (Jessie was released in April 2015), and not especially meaningful to the original assertion.


Most of the time when someone says "X is dead", it's because their own personal interest has waned, and there are two solutions to that:

1) accept it and move on (maybe BSD is your future)
2) find something new about Linux to inspire you.

There must be some statement of MS that was published on a specific date. I just can't find out when.

I am asking for a specific information. This surely isn't opinion-based.

Regards,

Gregor

How do you know that? What kind of statement is it?

You did not specify it properly.

I didn't say that its over.

If my question is offtopic here - where else should I ask? What do you suggest?
And of course I am asking a question.

Regards,

Gregor

Not sure I understand either.

Debian 8 (Jessie) was first released in 2015, 8.11 was released in 2018. The current version is 10 (buster) first released Sep 2019. While there isn't a fixed release cycle like Ubuntu they do release a new version about every 2 years.

The Raspberry Pi was first released in 2012 which runs the Pi OS which is based on debian. Its original purpose was to provide cheap hardware to teach programming in schools especially in third world countries. I am not sure what relationship you are trying to infer between hardware and linux operating systems.

Some might conclude due to systemd the best days of linux are over but without some specific context I am not sure where you are going with that question/comment.

Not sure what connections you are trying to imply between linux and Windows. Times are changing and the way people use computers at home are changing. Microsoft is changing their model and read something long time ago that they are going the way of how Apple does things but don't quote me on that.

Okay, I'll try to explain further:

I started using Linux with SuSE 4.1 (Kernel 2.0.19, somewhat '95). It must have been something '03 when I started to move to Debian 3. Since I don't like systemd I decided not to upgrade to Debian 8 (BTW thanks for the correction of the release date) but to see where to go when security support of Wheezy (Debian 7) is announced to be stopped.
Somehow I missed that announcement. And the only alternative to Debian 8 seemed to be Slackware since it also is a fairly 'old' distribution with an big and active community (and no systemd). So a few years ago I moved from Debian to Slackware.
Last year I bought an Arduino Nano 33 which isn't supported neither under Wheezy nor under Slackware 14. Hoping I can use that Arduino under Debian 10 I installed it.

Now I find myself resetting and rebooting just like I did when using Windows. To me it seems that the quality of software went worse. In former times it was said that Linux would run on a toaster and is solid as a rock. Now I have hangs and instabilities just like there were in the 90's with Windows.

I'm aware that things change. But from Debian 3 to Debian 7 I found that things went better from release to release. Opposed to that Debian 10 shows a steep degradation in software quality and I'm wondering when that degradation started and what the reasons are.

Regards,

Gregor

I certainly don't understand this either. It is an opinion based post because what is "best days"? This is subjective. If you are alluding to the IBM purchase of Red Hat, I am not sure what will do for or against Red Hat. Keep in mind that Linux was created as a project of a single person and there have been countless distros as a result of this. Some continue to this day without any commercial backing and thrive from donations. Open source operating systems are not going away any time soon.

Linux rules the industry in terms of the server market but what percentage is commercial versions vice FOSS, I can't say.

Agree that Linux has gotten more and more complex, and some would argue without reason. I am not going to start a systemd flame war but IMHO, that is largely the reason for the complexity. I do not agree that complexity is "necessary" for an operating system to be effective and useable. Windows is a perfect example of overcomplexity.

Having said that, I have never had a systemd distro die on me or require a reinstall for something systemd related. That's just my experience so don't take that as me being a systemd fan, I am not.

Seems like you should ask your question on a windows forum.

Late April or early May 2015. See https://www.pcmag.com/news/windows-1...ion-of-windows and many other blog entries and articles.

Not sure how that relates to Game Over for Linux.

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Thanks!

Gregor