hacking in linux, and cryptography

zetsui · 06-09-2003, 08:04 AM

Hey guys I will be honest, one of the prime reasons I got linux was for hacking, but I got 10x more than I asked

I want to know, any good new tutorials for hacking in linux? What should I do to learn to hack in linux, read up on what specifically? I dont want to download a program off the internet and make it do hacking for me I want to learn it, and no I am not black hat I want to make a network security job out of this, or a science project, so help please

Also cryptography, can anyone help me on getting started to write my own code

je_fro · 06-09-2003, 08:46 AM

What do you mean by "hacking"? It's such a broad term. I use it in the kitchen when I hack together some spicy chicken soup....
I think hacking is questioning and improvising solutions to a problem. What problems do you want to hack?

Neomaster · 06-09-2003, 08:49 AM

Need more information.

unSpawn · 06-09-2003, 09:18 AM

Honesty is a good thing. Unfortunately you can not rely on it to have the effect you aim for in other people. You're also confusing the term "hacker" with "cracker". A hacker modifies or adds to code, usually making something work better. There are no "white hat" hackers as hacking is a benign business. After all all of Linux/GNU is basically a hack job :-] A cracker tries to modify code for malicious reasons.

What both hackers and crackers have in common is a continuing quest for knowledge and understanding, persistence and the ability to think outside trodden paths.

If you're a hacker you started somewhere in the middle of code looking for something you wish you could muck with, realize you don't know zilch and go hide in the corner with some interpreted languages, C, C++ docs. After 2 hours you emerge presenting your first "hello world" app that's able to phone home, do the dishes, kill sockets and burn cds in one go :-]
Shortly after that you start harassing Marcello, Alan and Linus why they implemented X in such a %$#@!&%$&@# way...
You're a hacker, you know what you want, and if you don't know where to find it you damn well have ways to find it. You're OK.

If you're a cracker you use MICROS~1 initially, boast on IRC you're way leet, spend 2 months coming up with a handle to reflect that and after being flamed to hell start wondering why bots aren't allowed in your shell account. You've read all of Phrack, Fravia, the HCU, gotten into fights with any site that offers "challenges", THC, box.sk, SoldierX, and a few more people you don't even know the name of, have received strange messages about breast enlargements and shortly after that present your first app that really does nothing, and you wonder why.
You're a cracker, you know there's something you want besides root on every box, and if you don't know where to find it you damn well stoop to using the whole Packetstorm arsenal to get it. You're, well, not so OK :-]

So, if you're honest, tell us what you REALLY want...

zetsui · 06-09-2003, 10:45 AM

well guys i would like to say unlike justlinux.com, you arent assholes, you are kind and mannered(sorry for the language) I want to learn how to be a hacker, not a cracker, in the process of learning how to be contradictary to a cracker, do you not learn how to be a cracker

I want to use cryptography to help me secure networks, I also want to learn how to crack....... ahhhhhh its sooooo hard to choose i wil learn both

Neomaster · 06-09-2003, 10:49 AM

Try www.hackers.com

I hate the name call crackers scriptkiddes and wannbe hacker.

fancypiper · 06-09-2003, 10:59 AM

Programming HOWTOs

# Basic Linux security
Linux Questions Security references
Security Help Files
Security Focus
Linux Security
Linux Administrator's Security Guide
Firewalls and Security

unSpawn · 06-09-2003, 11:46 AM

//moderator note: a reminder for all are about to post URI's here, please remember posting any "cracker" related URI's is in violation with the LQ AUP.

// I haven't properly investigated the link Neomaster posted, as for now I'll allow it until we got proof it's a cracker site.

rmartine · 06-09-2003, 12:34 PM

Buy a book on C and on the Bash shell. Learn your distro inside and out and read every piece of code you can until you understand what it's doing.

fancypiper · 06-09-2003, 12:47 PM

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Originally posted by unSpawn
I haven't properly investigated the link Neomaster posted, as for now I'll allow it until we got proof it's a cracker site.

It looks to me as if it is a hacker site and not a cracker site.

zetsui · 06-09-2003, 04:48 PM

thx a lot i know i wouldnt spend my time writing up links, maybe you will teach me more than computers

emence · 06-09-2003, 05:02 PM

Hey if you want to be a hacker, try picking up a book, reading through some Perl, C++, TCL, and any other programming language heavily used in Linux. I would suggest Python, its nice. Also, pick up a TCP/IP book, that way you will get a better understanding of how TCP Stacks work.

acid_kewpie · 06-09-2003, 05:24 PM

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Originally posted by fancypiper
It looks to me as if it is a hacker site and not a cracker site.

Don't really think it's up for that much of a debate with metatags for the site including "phone phreaking" and other various delights... like "freedom of speech"

fancypiper · 06-09-2003, 05:54 PM

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fancypiper · 06-09-2003, 05:56 PM

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