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Old 06-09-2003, 08:04 AM   #1
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hacking in linux, and cryptography


Hey guys I will be honest, one of the prime reasons I got linux was for hacking, but I got 10x more than I asked I want to know, any good new tutorials for hacking in linux? What should I do to learn to hack in linux, read up on what specifically? I dont want to download a program off the internet and make it do hacking for me I want to learn it, and no I am not black hat I want to make a network security job out of this, or a science project, so help please

Also cryptography, can anyone help me on getting started to write my own code
 
Old 06-09-2003, 08:46 AM   #2
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Wassup, spawn01???

What do you mean by "hacking"? It's such a broad term. I use it in the kitchen when I hack together some spicy chicken soup....
I think hacking is questioning and improvising solutions to a problem. What problems do you want to hack?
 
Old 06-09-2003, 08:49 AM   #3
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Need more information.
 
Old 06-09-2003, 09:18 AM   #4
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Honesty is a good thing. Unfortunately you can not rely on it to have the effect you aim for in other people. You're also confusing the term "hacker" with "cracker". A hacker modifies or adds to code, usually making something work better. There are no "white hat" hackers as hacking is a benign business. After all all of Linux/GNU is basically a hack job :-] A cracker tries to modify code for malicious reasons.

What both hackers and crackers have in common is a continuing quest for knowledge and understanding, persistence and the ability to think outside trodden paths.

If you're a hacker you started somewhere in the middle of code looking for something you wish you could muck with, realize you don't know zilch and go hide in the corner with some interpreted languages, C, C++ docs. After 2 hours you emerge presenting your first "hello world" app that's able to phone home, do the dishes, kill sockets and burn cds in one go :-]
Shortly after that you start harassing Marcello, Alan and Linus why they implemented X in such a %$#@!&%$&@# way...
You're a hacker, you know what you want, and if you don't know where to find it you damn well have ways to find it. You're OK.

If you're a cracker you use MICROS~1 initially, boast on IRC you're way leet, spend 2 months coming up with a handle to reflect that and after being flamed to hell start wondering why bots aren't allowed in your shell account. You've read all of Phrack, Fravia, the HCU, gotten into fights with any site that offers "challenges", THC, box.sk, SoldierX, and a few more people you don't even know the name of, have received strange messages about breast enlargements and shortly after that present your first app that really does nothing, and you wonder why.
You're a cracker, you know there's something you want besides root on every box, and if you don't know where to find it you damn well stoop to using the whole Packetstorm arsenal to get it. You're, well, not so OK :-]


So, if you're honest, tell us what you REALLY want...

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Old 06-09-2003, 10:45 AM   #5
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well guys i would like to say unlike justlinux.com, you arent assholes, you are kind and mannered(sorry for the language) I want to learn how to be a hacker, not a cracker, in the process of learning how to be contradictary to a cracker, do you not learn how to be a cracker I want to use cryptography to help me secure networks, I also want to learn how to crack....... ahhhhhh its sooooo hard to choose i wil learn both
 
Old 06-09-2003, 10:49 AM   #6
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Try www.hackers.com



I hate the name call crackers scriptkiddes and wannbe hacker.
 
Old 06-09-2003, 10:59 AM   #7
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Programming HOWTOs

# Basic Linux security
Linux Questions Security references
Security Help Files
Security Focus
Linux Security
Linux Administrator's Security Guide
Firewalls and Security

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Old 06-09-2003, 11:46 AM   #8
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//moderator note: a reminder for all are about to post URI's here, please remember posting any "cracker" related URI's is in violation with the LQ AUP.

// I haven't properly investigated the link Neomaster posted, as for now I'll allow it until we got proof it's a cracker site.
 
Old 06-09-2003, 12:34 PM   #9
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Buy a book on C and on the Bash shell. Learn your distro inside and out and read every piece of code you can until you understand what it's doing.
 
Old 06-09-2003, 12:47 PM   #10
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Originally posted by unSpawn
I haven't properly investigated the link Neomaster posted, as for now I'll allow it until we got proof it's a cracker site.
It looks to me as if it is a hacker site and not a cracker site.
 
Old 06-09-2003, 04:48 PM   #11
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thx a lot i know i wouldnt spend my time writing up links, maybe you will teach me more than computers
 
Old 06-09-2003, 05:02 PM   #12
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Hey if you want to be a hacker, try picking up a book, reading through some Perl, C++, TCL, and any other programming language heavily used in Linux. I would suggest Python, its nice. Also, pick up a TCP/IP book, that way you will get a better understanding of how TCP Stacks work.
 
Old 06-09-2003, 05:24 PM   #13
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Originally posted by fancypiper
It looks to me as if it is a hacker site and not a cracker site.
Don't really think it's up for that much of a debate with metatags for the site including "phone phreaking" and other various delights... like "freedom of speech"
 
Old 06-09-2003, 05:54 PM   #14
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All I could access was the HDC BBS and I just read this and a few messages and it seemed OK as far as I could tell. Here is their sticky

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HDC Rules, Read Before Posting!!!

Pay ATTENTION all you NEWBIES
If you want to be respected and not considered lame, I suggest that all of you who are not using proper ENGLISH and SPELLING to please use the DICTIONARY, it is the yellow button you see when you are replying to a message. Good hackers use good spelling and english. We cannot understand your street slang nor do we care to even try. Improper spelling gives you improper answers. So use the DICTIONARY . If the ENGLISH language is your first language then you should apply the above.

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Posting on how to hack hotmail, how to send virus out to other or to use trojans to hack is a no, no, this also includes the porn sites, this also includes spamming of other BBS boards. Do not post this on the BBS , it is a sure way to loose your rights to use this board.

Do Not Ask How To Hack Hotmail On This BBS Board!!Read the following RULES . We have ZERO TOLERANCE, you will be REMOVED WITHOUT WARNING.


The following is a simple list to help you understand how to behave. (And it saddens me that some of you have to be told.)
No threats allowed. No death threats, no bomb threats, no threats of harm to anyone or their property. (Some discussions get heated, thats fine, but be an adult and work it out.)
We log all IP addresses that frequent this board so think of that before you try something stupid.
This board is primarily for asking questions to enhance one's education in the field of Computer Science (hacking)
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This BBS is for the enjoyment of HDC users. We, the staff of Hackers.Com, do not promote illegal activities - and YOU should NOT involve yourself or this Bulletin Board Service or its readers in any possible crime related activities. Any one who uses this Board for such will be Banned. (I wouldn't rule out that certain government agencies don't drop in now and again)



THE BBS RULES


WE do not write Viruses or condone the creation or dis
 
Old 06-09-2003, 05:56 PM   #15
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THE BBS RULES


WE do not write Viruses or condone the creation or distribution of such. So stop asking.
We do not spam other BBS, do not spam ours
WE do not steal passwords for people. So stop asking.
We do not work for the government. So stop asking.
We do not tolerate pornography, either graphic or text. So stop asking.
We are not the Navy. So stop swearing. (Sorry Navy, I'm only talking about most of you.)
HDC reserves the right to remove any user or content from this BBS with out any notification; if for no other reason than "just because we feel like it."
Any one who uses this Board for anything that is contrary to the above guidelines will be deleted and/or banned. The people who frequent this BBS are often experts in the field of data system security and can be very helpful. If you can handle the responsibility of the BBS, then welcome aboard.


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