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Old 10-10-2016, 01:27 AM   #1
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Trying to Figure Out How Long Time Linux Users See That This Makes Seance.


I'm using Linux Mint. I used the Opera developer browser.

I go to the web page to download the latest, "Opera Browser, Version 39." I try to install it, Mint gives me a message that the same version is available in the Mint channel software.

I go to the Software Manager, find the latest Opera Browser. That version is 12.16.

Coming from a windows background, I would think that;

Opera Browser Version 39
Opera Browser Version 12.16 are different versions.

Obviously, someone at Linux Mint has these the same versions. They know more about it then I do.

It makes me wonder, in all your linux training, what makes you see that version "39" is the same as "12.16?"

Thank you for helping me understand,
Chris.
 
Old 10-10-2016, 01:36 AM   #2
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UPDATE;
After I installed (what the Mint team calls) "the same" browser, the first thing I get was a big button that gives a choice to update to the latest browser. This backs up my original question. I think V.12 is different then V.39, Opera thinks it different, but experienced Linux users say it's the same.

Why is that?
 
Old 10-10-2016, 05:06 AM   #3
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Hi, which version of Mint do you have?

Can you please uninstall all versions of Opera you already have and please try the following in terminal:

Code:
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get install opera
 
Old 10-10-2016, 06:55 AM   #4
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Quote:
Originally Posted by happydog500 View Post
I'm using Linux Mint.
Chris, Chris, Chris:
I haz toaster.
What version of LM please?
Code:
inxi -Sr | pastebin
output please

I'm on 17.1 using Xfce 4.x, you could expect to see similar (if you're using 17.x)

For comparison (LinuxMint 17.x only)
Code:
apt-cache policy opera
...
opera:
  Installed: (none)
  Candidate: 12.16.1860-1linuxmint
  Version table:
     12.16.1860-1linuxmint 0
        700 http://extra.linuxmint.com/ rebecca/main amd64 Packages
without the inxi output, we can only guess.
version numbers... a question only the authors know the answer to, and we can only guess.




The LM18 version of Opera would be near the same version/build number I'd expect.
Hope that helps.
 
Old 10-10-2016, 09:57 AM   #5
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Quote:
Coming from a windows background, I would think that;
Opera Browser Version 39
Opera Browser Version 12.16 are different versions.
It doesn't need any windows-background or linux-foreground to comprehend that 39 and 12.16 are two different values --be they standing for a version or variable. It only needs common sense.

Quote:
Obviously, someone at Linux Mint has these the same versions. They know more about it then I do.
What makes you think he knows more than you do? (or did you comprehend what he actually said?)

Quote:
It makes me wonder, in all your linux training, what makes you see that version "39" is the same as "12.16?"
What do you mean by in all your linux training?

Most users (even advanced users) do not receive any training. Gnu/Linux using is just a matter of reading. An average IQ might look what seems insurmountable challenges at getting Gnu/Linux to run for a long while; the above average is entertained by riddles; and the bright plays it like a toy.

Some of us are not trained to use distro-built browser. (I always go to the developer site at need, download, build and install it myself, or get their binary if I am in a hurry.)
Nor are we trained to use Opera. (I use GNU/Icecat. I don't even use Firefox!)

Contrasting between subjects, the one "coming from windows background" and those who belong to the pronoun you in "your linux training" comes as a slight to some who are able to discern the unspoken insult alluded by the obvious mockery of "39 = 12.16".

Whatever help given by anyone here, it remains your responsibility to clear up a muddled thinking.

Your elocution I go to the web page then I go to the Software Manager betrays a cranky english. I can easily give compassion to such poverty of lingual skill; but drastic generalization of "you" is hardly pardonable in the absence of need to slight anyone if you did not comprehend the "readme.txt" correctly. We are not paid helpers here, and to avoid getting spanked better be polite to the best of your tongue.

Don't use a developer version if you can hardly get what is written on the "readme" text. Use a stable version.

Hope that helps.
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Old 10-10-2016, 10:07 AM   #6
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Did you install "opera" or "opera-stable"? Everything I've seen (in a quick search) says you want "opera-stable".


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Old 10-10-2016, 10:18 AM   #7
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From the post by "Habitual" hereunder quoted:
Quote:
apt-cache policy opera
...
opera:
Installed: (none)
Candidate: 12.16.1860-1linuxmint
Version table:
12.16.1860-1linuxmint 0
700 http://extra.linuxmint.com/ rebecca/main amd64 Packages
It can be safely inferred that the number 12.16 (capitalized by the OP as an intellectual issue against linux training) is not an Opera version but an LM package build internal repository version. In short: the matter in issue raised is just a point of simple thinking-while-reading.

I hope this explanation disentangles the OP from the confusion.

m.m.
 
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Old 10-10-2016, 12:02 PM   #8
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I am not sure but I think that Opera "39" is the Opera version number and "12.16" is the Ubuntu version number.

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Old 10-10-2016, 12:43 PM   #9
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thank you malekmustaq for post #5.
you properly analyzed & put into words where i'd have been too lazy & simply annoyed at op.
i might add that the original post is full of polemics and simplifications that need clarification, if this is to be anything but a rant --- or an unjustified and somewhat paranoid assumption that all linux "experts" go to bed together.
 
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Old 10-10-2016, 04:28 PM   #10
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12 is windows isn't it?

Anyway. 40.x rpm is available.
 
Old 10-10-2016, 09:57 PM   #11
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Opera 39 is the latest or close to the latest Windows version. A bit of history.

About the time Opera 12.xx was released, Opera had a management shake-up. The primary founder and guiding spirit of Opera was sacked and Opera's philosophy changed. You can see the new direction by comparing the configurability of the latest Opera for Windows with that of Opera 12.xx for Linux.

As part of the direction change, the new Opera management deferred any development of new Linux versions while they worked on bowdlerizing the Windows version.

I used Opera for almost 15 years on Windows and for the entire time I used Linux--up to that point. It was my go-to browser on Windows, Linux, and Android. When I saw the new direction, I stopped using it. I have not followed it to know whether the current Opera maintainers have released an updated version for Linux, because I don't care about Opera any more.

There is Vivaldi, the latest project of Opera's founder. It's not fully developed, but it is in the Mint repos.

Last edited by frankbell; 10-10-2016 at 10:01 PM.
 
Old 10-10-2016, 10:03 PM   #12
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Nice thing about Vilvadi.

Quote:
Vivaldi 1.4 32bit DEB
Vivaldi 1.4 32bit RPM
Nice some browsers still show some love for 32 bit systems.

Last edited by rokytnji; 10-10-2016 at 10:05 PM.
 
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