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Old 05-05-2014, 01:21 PM   #16
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As I am from Africa, I understand all too well that many farmers, for instance, do not have broadband and hardly ever go online. This is because the cost of dial-up connectivity is hugely expensive as much of it happens over 2G mobile networks. Due to copper cable theft, vast areas are without fixed line connections. In the same vein, small business owners, doctors, lawyers, land surveyors, informal traders and everybody else could not care less whether their distro is up to date or not. As they are off-line users, updates are not really required as long as software and hardware work together. We in the third world are used to the creed of "adapt or die."
Nowhere in your OP have you stated that your post is aimed at inhabitants of the African continent only. LQ is an international forum and your posts will be read by people from all over the world. In that light your advice to use unsupported versions of any distro is just bad advice, especially when there is absolutely no need for running unsupported software. Distros like antiX or Vector Lite exist, which are specifically aimed on supporting old hardware, without having the problems of running unsupported software.
Also, your begging that "geeks" should not comment is rather rude, especially if it is only to not have pointed out bad advice.
 
Old 05-05-2014, 01:32 PM   #17
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OK, through petty attitudes and rather selfish, immature reactions, this thread has been spoiled beyond repair. Right at the beginning it was said that geeks should steer clear as this post was for newbies. Experienced users/geeks/gurus could not see beyond their own inflated ego's, neither did they understand that this post was made in LOVE to a world that needs it. It was to make newbies feel welcome, to serenade to the newly lost XP tribe.... Some could not see beyond my sin, they could not see the bigger picture.


It reinforces my already established perspective, gained through painful experience, that Linux is easy and user friendly, but that the establishment behind it is devoid of anything humane or germane.

Good bye!!
 
Old 05-05-2014, 01:39 PM   #18
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I am sorry if you feel hurt by that, but even if you beg people not to do it, LQ is a source of knowledge that is consulted by a lot of people and asking people to not correct wrong information just because those people are more knowledgeable is not how forums work. If you open a thread it is open to discussion for every member of this forum.
 
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Old 05-05-2014, 01:51 PM   #19
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It reinforces my already established perspective, gained through painful experience, that Linux is easy and user friendly, but that the establishment behind it is devoid of anything humane or germane.

Good bye!!
I'm more comfortable if things were to stick with the original topic, which was recommendations for someone using Linux as part of a small business and how they'd get started if they were to choose Linux.

I do understand that someone inquired about the geographical area due to your profile information. But I feel it makes it further uncomfortable and segregating to "project" what you call a lack of humanity outwards; especially in general.

Granted I'm as guilty as many of not being highly versed in entire world affairs; however understanding that many make due as best as they can given the environments which they're within is at the very basic level sometimes the best options those individuals have. For instance I'm ill equipped to travel to remote locations and raise the awareness or provide for the spreading of Linux to individuals who have no exposure too it. However I'm happy to offer my assistance to those who are able to reach this forum, as well as other forums where I comment or seek advice.

At the very least, you personally have made it to this forum; therefore ask questions, or as you've done; offer suggestions via discussion and/or blog entries, and encourage others who share your interests in Linux to do the same.
 
Old 05-05-2014, 05:34 PM   #20
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I'm personally somewhat puzzled by the purpose of this whole thread. layman's guide? to me this looks like
driving traffic/advertising a product called kingsoft office.... :}
 
Old 05-06-2014, 05:18 AM   #21
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Read my post below......I posted it well before I even read here. Neither Ubuntu not Shuttleworth were/are for getting rich. Mark Shuttleworth does not have to work and he never asked your money nor mine. His organisation sent me numerous FREE disks from Netherlands to Cape Town, not by mail but by courier, which costs a lot. That is selfless service. Today, I prefer Mint or Zorin, but I do respect the Ubuntu team, Canonical and Mr Shuttleworth, for their effort to make life a better place for humans.
Canonical Ltd. was made with the view to creating profits. Lots of evidence for that over the last few years.

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In the past, the Shuttleworth Foundation / Canonical sent CD's or DVD's to end users around the globe AT NO COST. This is how we managed to lay our hands on Linux, as we had no way of downloading it. Just this week I could not download ZorinOS as my connection was too bad and also a download of Ubuntu 10 timed out after three hours, at 108MB out of 670MB. Mr Mark Shuttleworth, formerly a South African, devised the Ubuntu brand and distro, in the true spirit of "ubuntu." It is an ethnic African term meaning "I am, because we are." Mark Shuttleworth understood the need of people in developing countries and ensured that Linux was freely available and he even distributed it for free at public libraries. If he never did that, hundreds of thousands, may be millions, of users would never have had access to Linux. Those who bash the Ubuntu brand and those who have petty issues of how I get the message across, should rather be quiet as they are harming the cause and damaging the progress of humanity.
'Ubuntu' is marketing. Free discs were marketing. Seems that it was pretty cost efective, people still drag it up years after the free disc service was discontinued.

If my pointing out that its a for profit company, and my disagreement with the marketing that caonical have put out is causing this sort of reaction, maybe you should take a step back and have a look from a different point of view?

Yes, I know, this is offtopic, and would probably be better on its own thread, on on one of the other canonical threads.

BTW, using a torrent d/l would have been a good idea if you're having timeout/dropout problems.

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As I am from Africa, I understand all too well that many farmers, for instance, do not have broadband and hardly ever go online. This is because the cost of dial-up connectivity is hugely expensive as much of it happens over 2G mobile networks. Due to copper cable theft, vast areas are without fixed line connections. In the same vein, small business owners, doctors, lawyers, land surveyors, informal traders and everybody else could not care less whether their distro is up to date or not. As they are off-line users, updates are not really required as long as software and hardware work together. We in the third world are used to the creed of "adapt or die."

Of course, when one has the physical means to update regularly, it will always be better to have your system up-to-date. Some of the benefits include hardware compatibility with peripheral devices such as modems and printers, or enjoying the benefits of security updates.

There is, however, nothing wrong with running Ubuntu 10 on a computer from 2002, for example, if you are one of the majority who hardly ever go online.
If the device connects to the internet or even a intranet at all, security is a concern.

If its happening over 'expensive' networks, even more so.

Its one thing to have a security issue when you're on an 'unlimited' or 'throttled when limits reached' scenario. Its just as legally risky, with the possiblity of nasty suprises in the form of high billing to have security issues on expensive networks.

I've seen a $AU2K+ bill in one month from someone who had a bad security issue on a mobile network.

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OK, through petty attitudes and rather selfish, immature reactions, this thread has been spoiled beyond repair. Right at the beginning it was said that geeks should steer clear as this post was for newbies. Experienced users/geeks/gurus could not see beyond their own inflated ego's, neither did they understand that this post was made in LOVE to a world that needs it.
Ohh, the irony is exquisite.
 
  


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