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Old 07-12-2021, 01:59 AM   #16
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Clam / backup


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With respect to post #9, you don't need antivirus software or Samba on a stand-alone Linux computer — only if double booting with Windows or netowrking with a Windows computer, which your clients are hardly likely to do.
I know this debate yes. And also that Clam AV might use valuable resources. You mentioned networking in a Windows environment, but it also counts when using Windows programs in WINE.

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When setting up the computer, make sure you have a separate /home partition. That way, if you have a distro like MX or Mint which need to be re-installed when at the end of its life, you can do a clean install without wiping your data. Also, having all the personal files on a separate partition makes it easier to run a backup too to safeguard them.
Cerainly a very good advice!

I have no stocks in MX I only use it in some specific cases. For my home pc I run Debian Sid / unstable.
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Old 07-12-2021, 02:10 AM   #17
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Thank you remmilou, I will look into these details. I expect some "clients" may be familiar with Windows, others with Apple, others only with a hand calculator, like the one I will meet tomorrow. Each one may need a different approach, though I was hoping a simple minimal user interface would work for most of them. Training people in their 80s and 90s for this could be "interesting".
With KDE you can mimick the Apple look as well. You can download comlete "plasma styles" that look like Win 10 or OSX
KDE (plasma) is not a "simple minimal user interface". It's really full blown. But it's very simple to operate.
You can also give XFCE a try. I've used that for years and years. Less resource hungry, for older laptops. I've used that for my clients in the past. But I prefer KDE now. It's a matter of taste...
Both XFCE and KDE will do for non-technical users, if pre-cooked by you. (preferrably in /etc/skel).

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Old 07-12-2021, 02:16 AM   #18
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A new question, remmilou - for a nontechnical user who doesn't do much with their computer, how necessary is it to keep installing new Linux versions when they come out? My own Mint 19.3 version and the one I installed for someone else last year are stable and working fine for our needs. I have so far seen no reason to install new versions that do things we don't need, unless support is discontinued. Would be interested in hearing other thoughts on that.
Well... MX 19 is Debian Buster. It's fully supported until june 2024.
After that it will still get security updates.
Buster has now the status "stable". When Bullseye becomes stable, Buster wil be "oldstable", and still valuable for a very long time. That's the way Debian works.

Have a look at: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases
 
Old 07-12-2021, 02:45 AM   #19
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728rwp,

I have done this for several elderly clients using Linux Mint MATE (I second DavidMcCann’s choice) and they have taken to it like ducks to water with no real problems.

1. No need to use the command line after initial setup.
2. A standard user account with a password is advisable (as per boughtonp’s comment, the clients are elderly not stupid).
3. Antivirus is not needed.
4. No complex desktop or taskbar: MATE with Firefox and LibreOffice Writer icons.
5. Set the mouse clicks to single click: Home > Edit > Preferences > Behaviour > Single click to open.

6. As suggested by DavidMcCann, a separate Home partition is a good idea:
https://www.linuxquestions.org/quest...-distro-37074/

7. Menu > All applications > Preferences > Screensaver:
(i) Regard the computer as idle after 2 hours.
(ii) Untick the two boxes and then click on Close.

8. Firewall:
Code:
sudo ufw enable
9. With LO Writer, set the zoom to Page Width, Font to whatever you like and font size to at least 14.
If you require Microsoft TrueType fonts you will need to install them via Software Manager (search for mscorefonts).

10. For email I recommend using a secure browser-based email such as ProtonMail (from those nice people at CERN) as opposed to Gmail etc:
https://protonmail.com/

11. Add/remove applications on Favourites as required. Likewise add one or two to Desktop if used regularly.
12. With Firefox install AdBlock Plus: Tools > Add-ons and Themes > search for AdBlock Plus.
13. Set the Home page to Google or DuckDuckGo.

Good luck with your venture.
 
Old 07-12-2021, 03:47 AM   #20
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4. LibreOffice Writer
Abiword or any incarnation of SofMaker TextMaker is less of a fuss than LibreOffice. I believe that other simple text-processors exist.

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13. Set the Home page to Google or DuckDuckGo.
Or any other instance of Searx.
I do not like to quote from my own posts, but when I begin with considerations of ease-of-use or security, I want you to criticize me for any recommendation that contradicts my initial claims.
 
Old 07-12-2021, 08:04 AM   #21
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12. With Firefox install AdBlock Plus: Tools > Add-ons and Themes > search for AdBlock Plus.
Strongly disagree with that point. AdBlock Plus is bloated software which deliberately allows certain adverts and trackers, and is run by a for-profit company.

I repeat my recommendation of uBlock Origin (plus Privacy Badger as backup).

uBlock Origin is deliberately fast and efficient, actually blocks what you want, and has a very direct privacy policy.

 
Old 07-12-2021, 11:53 AM   #22
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If you are going out and purchasing "low cost" laptops, you may be better off with Chromebooks. If you are working with donated old laptops, you already have a lot of good suggestions on how to proceed.
 
Old 07-12-2021, 01:02 PM   #23
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Linux for the Elderly?

Thanks again for the good suggestions! I should have mentioned that I am working with some older 32-bit laptops, and must watch out for which versions of Linux will continue to support 32-bit systems. Many will continue to support only 64-bit systems, which leaves us out.
 
Old 07-12-2021, 04:17 PM   #24
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I know this probably goes against the grain of the question, but what about giving them something like ChromeOS? Cheap, simple to use, probably meets at least most of their requirements.
Problem with that is the same as the chromebook tablet. It requires internet access and thus is difficult to do a stand-alone system. My guess is that a lot of these folks don't want or need a lot of internet access so tying things to the internet could be counter-productive.

IIUC, While chromeOS is relatively small and simple it is not designed for stand-alone systems. It also does not have the freedom in licensing that Linux has. A quick search for "chrome os licensing" gives a lot of info and reveals it is not the same as a linux distro by any means.

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Old 07-12-2021, 07:52 PM   #25
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Also, FYI: If you are pursuing an "obviously good, and obviously tax-deductible" cause such as providing the elderly with access to computers ... both Microsoft and Apple should be able to find a way to help you. Also existing charities such as Goodwill, who probably have a bumper-crop of donated computers on their hands with no place to go.
 
Old 07-12-2021, 10:45 PM   #26
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My mom is 91. She uses a Grandpad. Everything is easy, because everything is big, and choices are limited. Video calls are available, a nice bonus for shut-ins with grandchildren and great grandchildren. Its battery charges without need for any wire connected.
 
  


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