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Old 12-31-2014, 03:39 PM   #16
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riahc3
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i really have to question the validity of this thread

you want to use Microsoft programs ONLY

this is looking and smelling VERY trollish
 
Old 12-31-2014, 04:29 PM   #17
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I clicked your link and then read this:
Code:
... (Line 3 of ~480 on my widescreen in linked article) ...
And I stopped. I dont think that of Linux at all so it really does not apply to me.
...
I was going to reply but if you are going to be childish and refer to "Microsoft" as "M$", its not worth it. Grow up.
You begin by totally dismissing an excellent response at the third line because you so totally comprehend it and can see that it has nothing else worthy of your consideration.

You then brush of my own simply stated, clear observation as childish only because I used a commonly accepted acronym in its commonly accepted context when offering it (an acronym which you clearly understood, no less!).

You already seem to have all the answers so why post your question to us kiddies at all?

It is not only your own time that you are wasting by this lazy, thoughtless and inconsiderate approach, but that of every thoughtful and intelligent person willing to help you.

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Why change something if I not only like it but it works?
Why indeed! Only you can answer that!

Please reconsider your premise, grow up as it were, or politely leave those of us who understand and love our Linux, in peace. You, we and Linux generally, will be better off as a result.

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Old 12-31-2014, 06:29 PM   #18
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1 - How do you expect to learn a system if you refuse to use that system's applications?
2 - How will using Windows applications in Wine help you learn Linux?

Unlike a few other respondents, I am not at all confused. You are not the first person to show up on a Linux board with such desires. And you will not be the last.
 
Old 01-01-2015, 12:22 PM   #19
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273 makes a number of statements critical of Microsoft. Since 273 might be biased here's a link to the official site holding the Finding of Fact in the matter of United States of America v. Microsoft. What 273 says is virtually high praise compared to the scathing analysis of U.S. Judge Thomas Penfield Jackson. Everyone should take the time to read Jackson's in-depth legal opinion of Microsoft's criminal tactics. Damn shame Nixon didn't live or he would have made a fine successor to Gates--of course Cheney and W. wouldn't have been too bad either. My apologies to anyone whose politics my rant has offended.

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Old 01-01-2015, 01:29 PM   #20
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You don't want a live CD, you don't want a VM. You want to run Linux, but want to keep Windows. I suppose that leaves you with two choices: dual-boot, or Windows and Linux on separate computers. It's your decision. You've dismissed every suggestion made so far, so my final suggestion is we leave you to it.
Dual-boot is the same as a LiveCD. It doesnt force you to use Linux.

Also, Linux will be on my laptop. As I stated before, I have a server running WS2012R2 and another PC running Windows 7. Those will be my daily operators but the laptop is used on my bed to view the things I mentioned in the OP.

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I want to learn how to swim, but I do not want to undress because I so like my fur coat, skis and fur gloves...
You can't swim in a fur coat, skis and fur gloves? How do you swim?

The proper analogy would be I want to learn how to swim but I dont want to get wet.


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my experience is that buying a linux system from hp or system76 mite guarantee 100% compatibility compared to a d-i-y install.

i had to read this twice. of course office works in pretty much any linux distro but i think the op is referring to microsoft office as opposed to open/libre office ?
with the few games i tried i find that wine either would fail to launch or run the program fairly buggy (ymmv).

most the stuff the op mentions is possible in most linux distros (or sun,mac,cyanogenmod,android,... for that matter) as long as they learn how to do it and dont limit each app to a specific program. else it would be like asking how to install a chevy corvette muffler on a ford mustang (its probably possible but not very practical).
Obviously, Im not going to buy a system for one OS, be it Windows, OS X, or any version of Linux.

Yes, I was refering to Microsoft Office. You are right that I should have made it clear. I tried LibreOffice and it doesnt give that same experice/quickness as MS Office.
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I agree with the comments that you ought to reconsider and either dual-boot or run a Linux virtual machine. I also agree that using Windows programs under Linux seems, perhaps, to defeat your stated goals?
In fact, I'm tempted to suggest you just stick with Windows as you have no intention of moving to Linux and seem already to know how it works.
The problem with dual-booting and/or VMs is that it doesnt FORCE you to use Linux.

My stated goals are basically to use Linux day in day out but I still want to stick to programs I like.

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As an aside, many people have their reasons for referring to Microsoft as M$. It may not be the most eloquent way of putting it but it's quicker than typing "The thieving, lying, criminal scum who threatened Linux for decades and put technological development back by years as well as charging millions for software which isn't compatible with itself." so perhaps you ought to get used to it?
The quickest way of putting Microsoft is MS. Period.

MS= (Caps) m s
M$= (Caps) m (hold Shift) 4

Anyone who puts the second method has the only childish goal of looking cool and hating on a company who wants to make profit. Simple as that.

I simply ignore any post that puts it the second method

(As a matter of fact, you have given me a idea for a signature. Thank you)


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The OP has been a member here since 2002. If the OP hasn't figured out Linux by now, he isn't trying. Either that or he is just a troll.
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riahc3
after 12 YEARS and 99 posts
i really have to question the validity of this thread

you want to use Microsoft programs ONLY

this is looking and smelling VERY trollish
Why would I waste my time trolling?

I know Linux. I just want to perfect using it in and out.
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Originally Posted by Randicus Draco Albus View Post
1 - How do you expect to learn a system if you refuse to use that system's applications?
2 - How will using Windows applications in Wine help you learn Linux?

Unlike a few other respondents, I am not at all confused. You are not the first person to show up on a Linux board with such desires. And you will not be the last.
Actually, "that system's application" isnt really Linux.
VLC - Multiplatform
LibreOffice - Multiplatform
WINE wrapper applications (Skype, Teamviewer, etc) - Multiplatform
uTorrent itself has a Linux server version

So that leaves us with vSphere Client, mIRC, and Microsoft Office as the only software which are not multiplatform...
 
Old 01-01-2015, 01:33 PM   #21
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The quickest way of putting Microsoft is MS. Period.

MS= (Caps) m s
M$= (Caps) m (hold Shift) 4

Anyone who puts the second method has the only childish goal of looking cool and hating on a company who wants to make profit. Simple as that.

I simply ignore any post that puts it the second method.
Well bully for you. I suggest you don't use the cancer that is Linux which steals Microsoft patents then.
I really don't know why you're posting here unless you are trolling.
 
Old 01-01-2015, 01:35 PM   #22
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You say you want to perfect using Linux in and out, but you only want to run programs through Wine.
You don't want to learn Linux. You want Linux to be exactly like Windows.
From some of your other posts, I can tell that you aren't serious about using Linux.
In one of the threads you started, you wanted to learn how to make a usb stick get hot via command line.
It shouldn't take someone 12 years to learn Linux.
You're like the person who wants to learn how to drive, but doesn't want to get behind the wheel.
 
Old 01-01-2015, 02:12 PM   #23
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@riahc3

Please consider leaving the moderation to us moderators. If you find an issue with a post by other members then press the <Report> button for that post(s) then reply in the report window.

Please take in consideration that you presented a request for help with Linux on a LQ Linux forum. I also use M$ to represent Microsoft and like other members do not find it as childish. Your challenges to other LQ members and expect respect then you should consider showing respect to fellow LQ members. You should consider re-reading LQ Rules.

You stated earlier that you know Linux. Then why the need to learn to use a Gnu/Linux?

What you are wanting to do with a Gnu/Linux is not practical and you will experience some major issues that you will eventually blame on a Gnu/Linux when those problem(s) would be self created/generated.

One question, is to why you want to use a Gnu/Linux in this fashion? Stick with M$ Windows and you will not have the need too post here at LQ and get the replies you seem to ignore anyway.
 
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Old 01-01-2015, 02:37 PM   #24
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I don't think that this thread is going to be productive any longer.
TBH, I see this at the tipping point of turning into a all out flame war of MS/$ versus Linux.

Why are we attempting to reason with the OP when it is clearly not benefiting anyone?
 
Old 01-01-2015, 02:49 PM   #25
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If you want to be made to learn linux. Then I recommend to start a LFS installation and make it however you want it.
 
Old 01-01-2015, 03:46 PM   #26
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I plan to go with Ubuntu. LTS or latest stable version? Thoughts?
Ubuntu is the distro which shows the most similarities to Windows: the normal user can gain admin rights, command line is discouraged, technical items are hidden as much as possible. Note this is not Ubuntu server which seems to be slightly better. Some Ubuntu versions offer the latest and greatest software versions. Which are pretty full of bugs.

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First off, compatibility. I do need that all my hardware on my laptop be compatible. From shortcut keys to wifi. This is not a brand new laptop so there shouldn't be any problems. Its a Dell Vostro 1510.
That doesnt seem to be problem.

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Next, software. Basically on this laptop software I use in and out: uTorrent, Teamviewer, WMP, mIRC, Skype, vSphere Client, Microsoft Office......That's pretty much it IMO. Also Facebook and YouTube (Flash) are a must. I will run all this software in WINE. I don't want (most) of the Linux ports. Im not looking to replace programs I like and use daily. Just looking to replace the operating system.
Other members said this as well, but let my try to say this in a more neutral way. You cannot only replace the OS and have your Windows applications. Most of the applications running on Windows are not multi-platform. It is a problem most people migrating Linux have to deal with. It is either migrating to Linux and use Linux or multi-platform programs, or stick with Windows. If using just those Windows programs is non-negotiable you simply don't have a choice but stay on Windows.

This having said, most programs have a full functional equivalent on Linux. Except for Office. LibreOffice is not compatible with MSOffice. It used to be not bad, but the last few LO versions I have seen seriously impacted my productivity.

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Old 01-01-2015, 03:47 PM   #27
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Dual-boot is the same as a LiveCD. It doesnt force you to use Linux...
The problem with dual-booting and/or VMs is that it doesnt FORCE you to use Linux.
If you want to be "FORCED" to use Linux, then abandon your reliance on those few Windows only applications you use.
 
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Old 01-01-2015, 05:23 PM   #28
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Well bully for you. I suggest you don't use the cancer that is Linux which steals Microsoft patents then.
I really don't know why you're posting here unless you are trolling.
Cancer that is Linux? Where did that come from???

Linux is not a cancer. Runs most of the web servers in the world and most supercomputers also. I think I must have misunderstood your post....

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You say you want to perfect using Linux in and out, but you only want to run programs through Wine.
You don't want to learn Linux. You want Linux to be exactly like Windows.
From some of your other posts, I can tell that you aren't serious about using Linux.
In one of the threads you started, you wanted to learn how to make a usb stick get hot via command line.
It shouldn't take someone 12 years to learn Linux.
You're like the person who wants to learn how to drive, but doesn't want to get behind the wheel.
I don't exclusively want to run programs thru WINE.

Lets say for example I used VLC on my Windows machines. I would use the native version of VLC for Linux. I wouldnt use VLC for Windows thru WINE.
Maybe I mistyped "Linux ports"; What I ment by Linux ports is that I dont want to run a alternative software. I understand the confusion and that was problably my fault.

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If you want to be made to learn linux. Then I recommend to start a LFS installation and make it however you want it.
When I started out with Linux, I actually did a source installation. This was WAY back in the day so Im not sure if it has changed but I do remember that setting everything up took a while (a hour or two) plus the time of complilation. Im not sure I want to go that route.

BTW, from this point forward, Im going to basically ignore anything that uses "$" unless it is in the context of a terminal or something. I refuse to talk to immature childern as you only lower yourself to their level.

I have no idea why everyone is so against using WINE/Windows programs in Linux. A lot of Linux's mentality is about choice. It is MY choice to use Windows programs in Linux. If you don't want to help me, thats fine.
 
Old 01-01-2015, 05:31 PM   #29
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There is no debate -- it's called GNU/Linux: you should properly acknowledge the efforts of Stallman & co.

"Linux" refers to the kernel, "GNU/Linux" refers to the operating system.

Using WINE is touch-and-go at best, that's why using native programs is preferred.

If you really "did a source installation" then you already know how GNU/Linux works.
 
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Old 01-01-2015, 05:31 PM   #30
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You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.
I'm done with this thread.
 
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