LinuxQuestions.org
Go Job Hunting at the LQ Job Marketplace
Go Back   LinuxQuestions.org > Forums > Linux Forums > Linux - Newbie
User Name
Password
Linux - Newbie This Linux forum is for members that are new to Linux.
Just starting out and have a question? If it is not in the man pages or the how-to's this is the place!

Notices

Reply
 
LinkBack Search this Thread
Old 10-22-2003, 11:16 PM   #1
gatomeno
LQ Newbie
 
Registered: Oct 2003
Posts: 6

Rep: Reputation: 0
fundamental differences bewteen linux and windows


Hi guys, this is my first post here. I should be getting my new HD in the next couple of days and I plan to install mandrake 9.1 on it, mainly to try out linphone. I've been reading about how linux is more secure than windows,etc. but I haven't found out an indepth answer why it is more secure,etc. Should I expect the same organization as DOS and Windows (directories, etc.) or something totally different? I would like to know the basics of linux as an OS to understand it better whenever I start to experiment with it.
Thanks for any help

gatomeno
 
Old 10-22-2003, 11:28 PM   #2
slakmagik
Senior Member
 
Registered: Feb 2003
Distribution: Slackware
Posts: 4,113

Rep: Reputation: Disabled
http://catb.org/~esr/writings/taoup/...stchapter.html
http://www.pathname.com/fhs/2.2/index.html

Welcome! One way in which MS and *nix differ is that, in *nix, a lot of reading and self-motivation is expected. *g* Don't take the above as gospel, but there's some good stuff in there for you. Quick thing - Linux has a stricter concept of users and permissions than MS, and the open source model provides a completely different method of disclosure and bugfixing than the proprietary model - and the filesystem structure is very different.
 
Old 10-22-2003, 11:31 PM   #3
spurious
Member
 
Registered: Apr 2003
Location: Vancouver, BC
Distribution: Slackware, Ubuntu
Posts: 558

Rep: Reputation: 31
Linux and Windows are very different paradigms. As a former Windows user, I found that getting used to the filesystem and the concept of file permissions were the trickiest issues. Also, devices such as floppy drives and CD-ROM drives must be mounted and unmounted in linux.

See my sig, below, for two reference books on linux. The Linux Cookbook is oriented for newbies, while the RUTE textbook offers a very thorough and comprehensive review of linux.
 
Old 10-22-2003, 11:35 PM   #4
h/w
Senior Member
 
Registered: Mar 2003
Location: New York, NY
Distribution: Debian Testing
Posts: 1,286

Rep: Reputation: 45
if you have worked on unix b4, it shouldnt be a problem. if youre coming from a dos/win32 background, as i did, then it will be, umm .. fun.

if the mandrake is like redhat (i think its even more friendlier), then most everything can be done within some gui. i first downloaded debian - couldnt install it and lost lot of hair over it. then i downloaded redhat8, and it was a cinch. install was easy, everything could be done from a gui, and it was good.
so, i used rh8 for a while, read up on the redhat manuals (http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-9-Manual/), the tldp howtos (http://www.tldp.org), rute (http://www.linuxman.com.cy/rute/rute.html) and then decided to switch to somethin else (i tried debian again, cos well the cd was still with me). and everything was muuuuch better.
i still consider myself a newbie, but i think i know a bit more than before.

you'll find the answers to all ur questions there. and well, secure mainly cos there is a distinct separation what the admin can do and what the user (you) can do. every single file/dir/object is associated to a user/group and only members of that group can make any changes to them. apart from this, they all have access permissions (read, write, exec), and well, same as what i said before. so installs are done by root (admin), unless you get the source code and compile everything by yourself (in which case you know what you are doing), and a program run by you cannot go and execute and write stuff into the system files or whatever files that were installed by the admin.

i dont know if i made things better/worse there.
 
Old 10-22-2003, 11:51 PM   #5
Psycho
Member
 
Registered: Feb 2002
Location: Carson City, Nevada
Distribution: Gentoo / SuSE 9.1 Pro (both A64)
Posts: 159

Rep: Reputation: 30
Linux vs Windows

Grab an armload of patience, because you're about to enter a different world. It's a little different so it can be a little difficult at first if you've been a long time Windows user. If you're an old fart that's comfortable with batch files you've got a leg up imho.

I'll take a shot at a thumbnail sketch just for kicks...

Security, in Windows normally you will run as an administrator. Having full permission to read, execute, delete, whatever, anything on the hard drive. That's one reason virii can be so destructive. Also all the interoperability provided by Windows, Windows scripting, Visual Basic for applications, many tools that are on pretty much any Windows machine make them an easy target.

Linux on the other hand is inherently more secure for several reasons.

1. You don't normally run with administrative rights, that's considered a bad thing for several reasons. You can really screw things up if you don't have a clue. Running as a user protects you from your self, as well as nasties from the internet. All you have access to destroy is your home directory.

2. There is no truly standard Linux setup, there are a lot of similarities but you can't really count on a particular tool being available other than the basic command line programming, which is quite a bit more capable than in Windows. The interoperability just isn't there on the scale of windows.

The file systems are noticibly different. There are no 'drive letters' in Linux, rather you mount a device with a file system. There's a very good newbie description of the Linux file system, and a basic description of devices here.

Hit the web and do a little searching, and read, read, read. You'll be off to a better start if you do. It's not actually difficult, just a tad different. There's a ton of documentation in the default Linux install, but some of the 'man pages' seem to be written in greek at first. Your basic Newbie documentation is usually included as well, but that usually only gives you enough to 'get by'.

If you put some effort into it, you'll probably love it. But if you just expect to dive in and swim, it's a little rocky at first. Keep after it, it's worth it...
 
Old 10-23-2003, 12:31 AM   #6
slakmagik
Senior Member
 
Registered: Feb 2003
Distribution: Slackware
Posts: 4,113

Rep: Reputation: Disabled
Re: Linux vs Windows

Quote:
Originally posted by Psycho
If you're an old fart that's comfortable with batch files you've got a leg up imho.


I agree, though - DOS was CLI-based with plenty of seemingly cryptic commands and with the main things configured through text files (often 'executable' as batch files) with an optional GUI slapped on. Linux is like a different, hugely powerful, hugely complex DOS 6x/Win3x in those respects, and I think it's an advantage to be familiar with that vs. a strict Windows/NT user. DOS 2x and up borrowed a lot from the Unix of the day. Edlin's a hell of a lot like ed. *g*
 
  


Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
The real differences between using Windows and using Linux... aysiu General 37 05-25-2006 05:07 AM
The Fundamental Differences Between Linux and Windows Charred Linux - News 23 10-30-2005 01:50 AM
Linux Vs. Windows.....what are the differences??? arctic123 General 40 09-28-2004 08:15 AM
What are the differences between windows C++ and linux C++? ben_build#2.1.0 Programming 9 05-17-2004 01:34 PM
C++ differences between Windows and Linux?(and book Q) JediPunk Programming 7 09-09-2003 10:49 PM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:24 AM.

Main Menu
My LQ
Write for LQ
LinuxQuestions.org is looking for people interested in writing Editorials, Articles, Reviews, and more. If you'd like to contribute content, let us know.
Main Menu
Syndicate
RSS1  Latest Threads
RSS1  LQ News
Twitter: @linuxquestions
identi.ca: @linuxquestions
Facebook: linuxquestions Google+: linuxquestions
Open Source Consulting | Domain Registration