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Old 03-26-2010, 08:52 AM   #1
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Lightbulb processor upgrade help?


How do I know if I can upgrade the processor? Specifically, which processors could go onto my MOBO? dmidecode gives:
Code:
Processor Information
        Socket Designation: Socket 7
        Type: Central Processor
        Family: Alpha 21064
        Manufacturer: Intel
        ID: 34 06 00 00 FF F9 80 00
        Version: Pentium II
        Voltage: 3.3 V
        External Clock: 66 MHz
        Max Speed: 400 MHz
        Current Speed: 300 MHz
        Status: Populated, Enabled
        Upgrade: ZIF Socket
Thanks for the help!
 
Old 03-26-2010, 09:15 AM   #2
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How do I know if I can upgrade the processor? Specifically, which processors could go onto my MOBO? dmidecode gives:
Code:
Processor Information
        Socket Designation: Socket 7
        Type: Central Processor
        Family: Alpha 21064
        Manufacturer: Intel
        ID: 34 06 00 00 FF F9 80 00
        Version: Pentium II
        Voltage: 3.3 V
        External Clock: 66 MHz
        Max Speed: 400 MHz
        Current Speed: 300 MHz
        Status: Populated, Enabled
        Upgrade: ZIF Socket
Thanks for the help!
You can tell by getting the manual for your MOBO, and reading it. It'll have a range of processor speeds/types that it can take.
 
Old 03-26-2010, 12:00 PM   #3
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no manual available to me. I can't really even see any identifying #'s on it either to look it up. Maybe IDK what I'm looking for though? any way to get this info? Puppy Linux is what I am able to get running on it.
 
Old 03-26-2010, 12:12 PM   #4
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You could use lshw or dmidecode to identify the board.
Both should be available via your package manager if not installed already.
Then run with: sudo lshw or sudo dmidecode
 
Old 03-26-2010, 12:43 PM   #5
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Code:
 dmidecode
# dmidecode 2.9
Legacy DMI 2.0 present.
30 structures occupying 677 bytes.
Table at 0x000F0800.

Handle 0x0000, DMI type 0, 18 bytes
BIOS Information
        Vendor: Award Software International, Inc.
        Version: 4.51 PG
        Release Date: 02/11/98
        Address: 0xE0000
        Runtime Size: 128 kB
        ROM Size: 128 kB
        Characteristics:
                ISA is supported
                PCI is supported
                PNP is supported
                APM is supported
                BIOS is upgradeable
                BIOS shadowing is allowed
                ESCD support is available
                Boot from CD is supported
                Selectable boot is supported
                BIOS ROM is socketed
                EDD is supported
                5.25"/360 KB floppy services are supported (int 13h)
                5.25"/1.2 MB floppy services are supported (int 13h)
                3.5"/720 KB floppy services are supported (int 13h)
                3.5"/2.88 MB floppy services are supported (int 13h)
                Print screen service is supported (int 5h)
                8042 keyboard services are supported (int 9h)
                Serial services are supported (int 14h)
                Printer services are supported (int 17h)
                CGA/mono video services are supported (int 10h)

Handle 0x0001, DMI type 1, 8 bytes
System Information
        Manufacturer:  
        Product Name:  
        Version:  
        Serial Number:  

Handle 0x0002, DMI type 2, 8 bytes
Base Board Information
        Manufacturer:  
        Product Name: i440LX-SMC67X
        Version:  
        Serial Number:

Handle 0x0003, DMI type 3, 9 bytes
Chassis Information
        Manufacturer:  
        Type: Unknown
        Lock: Not Present
        Version:  
        Serial Number:  
        Asset Tag:  

Handle 0x0004, DMI type 5, 23 bytes
Memory Controller Information
        Error Detecting Method: 8-bit Parity
        Error Correcting Capabilities:
                None
        Supported Interleave: One-way Interleave
        Current Interleave: One-way Interleave
        Maximum Memory Module Size: 32 MB
        Maximum Total Memory Size: 128 MB
        Supported Speeds:
                70 ns
                60 ns
        Supported Memory Types:
                Standard
                FPM
                EDO
                Burst EDO
        Memory Module Voltage: 5.0 V 3.3 V
        Associated Memory Slots: 4
                0x0005
                0x0006
                0x0007
                0x0008

Handle 0x0006, DMI type 6, 12 bytes
Memory Module Information
        Socket Designation: A1
        Bank Connections: 2 3
        Current Speed: 50 ns
        Type: Unknown
        Installed Size: 64 MB (Single-bank Connection)
        Enabled Size: 64 MB (Single-bank Connection)
        Error Status: OK

Handle 0x0007, DMI type 6, 12 bytes
Memory Module Information
        Socket Designation: A2
        Bank Connections: 4 5
        Current Speed: 50 ns
        Type: Unknown
    Installed Size: Not Installed
        Enabled Size: Not Installed
        Error Status: OK

Handle 0x0008, DMI type 6, 12 bytes
Memory Module Information
        Socket Designation: A3
        Bank Connections: 6 7
        Current Speed: 50 ns
        Type: Unknown
        Installed Size: Not Installed
        Enabled Size: Not Installed
        Error Status: OK

Handle 0x0009, DMI type 7, 15 bytes
Cache Information
        Socket Designation: Internal Cache
        Configuration: Enabled, Not Socketed, Level 1
        Operational Mode: Write Back
        Location: Internal
        Installed Size: 32 KB
        Maximum Size: 32 KB
        Supported SRAM Types:
                Synchronous
        Installed SRAM Type: Synchronous

Handle 0x000A, DMI type 7, 15 bytes
Cache Information
        Socket Designation: External Cache
        Configuration: Enabled, Not Socketed, Level 2
        Operational Mode: Write Back
        Location: External
        Installed Size: 512 KB
        Maximum Size: 512 KB
        Supported SRAM Types:
                Synchronous
        Installed SRAM Type: Synchronous

Handle 0x000B, DMI type 8, 9 bytes
Port Connector Information
        Internal Reference Designator: PRIMARY IDE
        Internal Connector Type: On Board IDE
        External Reference Designator:  
        External Connector Type: None
        Port Type: Other

Handle 0x000C, DMI type 8, 9 bytes
Port Connector Information
        Internal Reference Designator: SECONDARY IDE
        Internal Connector Type: On Board IDE
 External Reference Designator:  
        External Connector Type: None
        Port Type: Other

Handle 0x000D, DMI type 8, 9 bytes
Port Connector Information
        Internal Reference Designator: FDD
        Internal Connector Type: On Board Floppy
        External Reference Designator:  
        External Connector Type: None
        Port Type: 8251 FIFO Compatible

Handle 0x000E, DMI type 8, 9 bytes
Port Connector Information
        Internal Reference Designator: COM1
        Internal Connector Type: 9 Pin Dual Inline (pin 10 cut)
        External Reference Designator:  
        External Connector Type: DB-9 male
        Port Type: Serial Port 16450 Compatible

Handle 0x000F, DMI type 8, 9 bytes
Port Connector Information
        Internal Reference Designator: COM2
        Internal Connector Type: 9 Pin Dual Inline (pin 10 cut)
        External Reference Designator:  
        External Connector Type: DB-9 male
        Port Type: Serial Port 16450 Compatible

Handle 0x0010, DMI type 8, 9 bytes
Port Connector Information
        Internal Reference Designator: LPT1
        Internal Connector Type: DB-25 female
        External Reference Designator:  
        External Connector Type: DB-25 female
        Port Type: Parallel Port ECP/EPP

Handle 0x0011, DMI type 8, 9 bytes
Port Connector Information
        Internal Reference Designator: Keyboard
        Internal Connector Type: Other
        External Reference Designator:  
        External Connector Type: PS/2
        Port Type: Keyboard Port

Handle 0x0012, DMI type 8, 9 bytes
Port Connector Information
        Internal Reference Designator: PS/2 Mouse
        Internal Connector Type: PS/2
        External Reference Designator: Detected
        External Connector Type: PS/2
        Port Type: Mouse Port

Handle 0x0013, DMI type 9, 12 bytes
System Slot Information
        Designation: ISA
        Type: 16-bit ISA
        Current Usage: Unknown
        Length: Long
        Characteristics:
                5.0 V is provided

Handle 0x0014, DMI type 9, 12 bytes
System Slot Information
        Designation: ISA
        Type: 16-bit ISA
        Current Usage: Unknown
        Length: Long
        Characteristics:
                5.0 V is provided

Handle 0x0015, DMI type 9, 12 bytes
System Slot Information
        Designation: ISA
        Type: 16-bit ISA
        Current Usage: Unknown
        Length: Long
        Characteristics:
                5.0 V is provided

Handle 0x0016, DMI type 9, 12 bytes
System Slot Information
        Designation: ISA
        Type: 16-bit ISA
        Current Usage: Unknown
        Length: Long
 Characteristics:
                5.0 V is provided

Handle 0x0017, DMI type 9, 12 bytes
System Slot Information
        Designation: PCI
        Type: 32-bit PCI
        Current Usage: Available
        Length: Long
        ID: 20
        Characteristics:
                5.0 V is provided

Handle 0x0018, DMI type 9, 12 bytes
System Slot Information
        Designation: PCI
        Type: 32-bit PCI
        Current Usage: Available
        Length: Long
        ID: 19
        Characteristics:
                5.0 V is provided

Handle 0x0019, DMI type 9, 12 bytes
System Slot Information
        Designation: PCI
        Type: 32-bit PCI
        Current Usage: Available
        Length: Long
        ID: 18
        Characteristics:
                5.0 V is provided

Handle 0x001A, DMI type 9, 12 bytes
System Slot Information
        Designation: PCI
        Type: 32-bit PCI
        Current Usage: Available
        Length: Long
        ID: 17
        Characteristics:
                5.0 V is provided

Handle 0x001B, DMI type 8, 9 bytes
Port Connector Information
 Internal Reference Designator: USB
        Internal Connector Type: None
        External Reference Designator:  
        External Connector Type: Other
        Port Type: USB

Handle 0x001C, DMI type 4, 26 bytes
Processor Information
        Socket Designation: Socket 7
        Type: Central Processor
        Family: Alpha 21064
        Manufacturer: Intel
        ID: 34 06 00 00 FF F9 80 00
        Version: Pentium II
        Voltage: 3.3 V
        External Clock: 66 MHz
        Max Speed: 400 MHz
        Current Speed: 300 MHz
        Status: Populated, Enabled
        Upgrade: ZIF Socket

Handle 0x001D, DMI type 15, 20 bytes
        <TRUNCATED>

Wrong DMI structures count: 30 announced, only 29 decoded.
Wrong DMI structures length: 677 bytes announced, structures occupy 679 bytes.
 
Old 03-26-2010, 12:53 PM   #6
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Handle 0x0002, DMI type 2, 8 bytes
Base Board Information
        Manufacturer:  
        Product Name: i440LX-SMC67X
        Version:  
        Serial Number:
I'm not seeing either,have you tried lshw?.
Can you open the case and look for any clues to manufacurer or model number?.
 
Old 03-26-2010, 01:04 PM   #7
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lshw won't work...haven't figured out puppy's package manager really yet...I really don't know what I'm looking for inside. I tried that first and couldn't see anything that helped me...
 
Old 03-26-2010, 01:31 PM   #8
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A thirteen year old Pentium II 300 MHz :
You may be able to change it to 366 ... 500 MHz. ?
Not many parts that age, to get anywhere.

Suggest : change the computer to a modern,
ten year old Pentium III, 1000 MHz.
.....
 
Old 03-26-2010, 01:36 PM   #9
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@knudfl

I agree,i very much doubt you will be able to find a processor for this board.

@op

You may be better off investing in some newer hardware rather than trying to upgrade what you have.

Last edited by the trooper; 03-26-2010 at 01:37 PM.
 
Old 03-26-2010, 02:39 PM   #10
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How do I know if I can upgrade the processor?
The easiest way would be to find the mobo type number (which will usually be printed somewhere on the board, but then so will a lot of other things) and manufacturer, and see if the manufacturer website offers any info: In particular, you may need a BIOS update to be able to upgrade to a more recent processor, but

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Specifically, which processors could go onto my MOBO? dmidecode gives:
Code:
Processor Information
        Socket Designation: Socket 7
        Type: Central Processor
        Family: Alpha 21064
        Manufacturer: Intel
        ID: 34 06 00 00 FF F9 80 00
        Version: Pentium II
        Voltage: 3.3 V
        External Clock: 66 MHz
        Max Speed: 400 MHz
        Current Speed: 300 MHz
        Status: Populated, Enabled
        Upgrade: ZIF Socket
There is something badly wrong here: everything else seems consistent with a perfectly ordinary socket 7 chip, but that processor is listed as a DEC alpha 21064, which IIRC isn't compatible with a socket 7 mobo, so you can't trust what you are reading. And what distro you'd find that would support it, these days, I don't know...

In any case, the value in upgrading this mobo is very limited, so, maybe, if you can get a PII on a well-known auction site very cheaply...if you are prepared to chance an auction site, maybe you can get a mobo and processor for a similarly low amount of cash.
 
Old 03-26-2010, 06:29 PM   #11
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thanks for the replies everyone..@salasi it is running puppy linux...this was given to me free along with some parts pc's so I was just trying to make it as functional as possible. It's gonna end up as my young daughter's PC with some early educational software on it. No need to really upgrade...since I installed puppy to the HDD it runs a lot faster. I also gave it 1.5 Gb of swap...Should be good enough for that usage.
 
Old 03-27-2010, 02:48 AM   #12
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@salasi it is running puppy linux...
Yes, but if it was really a Alpha 21064, it wouldn't be. According to distrowatch, puppy is compiled for the i386 arch and nothing else. So, it couldn't run on an Alpha, which isn't i386 compatible.

So it seems that you have what is genuinely a PII and the Alpha 21064 part is just rubbish.
 
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Don't quote me too strong on this one, but if my memory serves correctly, socket 7 supports even k6-II chips, which means you can probably find something that will go up to 500-550 mhz, and will also support 3dnow! which might be a good thing for some tasks like media decoding as long as your distro takes advantage of that feature (i.e. is not compiled for 386 or 586).

But, if I were you, the first thing I would do is to put as much ram in that board as possible.
 
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Around here (Burlington Massachusetts), you can easily find better computers than that in dumpsters.

If you have it up and running and doing a useful job, you might as well keep it.

But if you are thinking about buying obsolete parts (CPU, ram, etc.) to upgrade a computer that obsolete, I think you're wasting your time.
 
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Yes. The dumped computers I find currently are mostly
Pentium 4 , 2.4 .. 3.0 GHz, and e.g. AMD 2200+.
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