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Old 02-24-2003, 08:15 PM   #1
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Question Window Managers


Why do programs have to be written for KDE or Gnome or neither? Look good in one and not the other?
KDE and Gnome are basically libraries and toolkits, plus desktop, control panels etc right?
Surely in the open source movement KDE and Gnome arent so opposed as to not be able to set up a standard so that Mozilla or whatever can just call something like "default menu, paramaters x, y, z ..." when you open a menu, which would point to the toolkit for whichever manager you are running?

Maybe this should be in the newbie section, I dunno, puzzles me tho.
 
Old 02-24-2003, 09:19 PM   #2
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gnome uses qt so if you write a prog using the qt liblary it will not run if you dont have qt installed as long as you have qnome installed qt will be installed thats why they are writen for a windowmanager
 
Old 02-24-2003, 10:04 PM   #3
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QT or GTK+? Wouldn't it be nice to only have one. Or would it?

Last edited by Allen614; 02-24-2003 at 10:07 PM.
 
Old 02-24-2003, 10:16 PM   #4
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gnome uses qt
Woah, bet the gnome guys will be surprised!
 
Old 02-24-2003, 11:41 PM   #5
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sorry for the wrong info Obi Perrin you can use just one like in my computer gnome is installed to use some programs but i am using fluxbox choose one you can find app for both that does the same job.
 
Old 02-24-2003, 11:45 PM   #6
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Ok, I think it's GTK+ that is used by Gnome, and QT that is used by KDE.
 
Old 02-25-2003, 01:59 AM   #7
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I hate that a lot of the decent programs need either the Gnome or KDE libraries installed. I use Waimea and would rather not have to put all the other stuff in.
 
Old 02-25-2003, 09:33 AM   #8
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KDE=QT
GNOME=GTK+
 
Old 02-25-2003, 09:40 AM   #9
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The great thing about standards is that there are so many to choose from.
 
Old 02-25-2003, 07:13 PM   #10
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Jup, I'd love to use 'licq' with the qt-plugin, 'cause this plugin has much more features as the 'jons-gtk-plugin'. But I will not install Trolltechs QTlib.
 
Old 02-25-2003, 07:36 PM   #11
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just use something like openbox or fluxbox so everything looks equally shitty.
 
Old 02-25-2003, 07:40 PM   #12
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just use something like openbox or fluxbox so everything looks equally shitty.
I use fluxbox, but I think, it's pretty nice to see it working on my desktop.
 
Old 02-25-2003, 07:46 PM   #13
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Why not?

What do you think the chances are of... one day... a set of open source development libraries being bundled with the kernel so that desktop environments can share and programs dont have to be written using libraries? GTK+ is open source isn't it? Why was it not chosen to be bundled with the kernel so as to set a standard back in the early days of desktop environments? Or does a set of equivilant libraries already come bundled (for example if you are not using KDE or GNOME) but they are insufficient/lacking compared to QT and GTK+?

Also, why cant both libraries be installed, so that programs who want to use QT libraries can and programs who want to use GTK+ can, sure different programs might adhere to a different asthetic theme, but at least they will look and feel how they were meant to look and feel, rather than be semi-castrated as it were.
 
Old 02-25-2003, 08:22 PM   #14
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By all means, install both libraries. They don't conflict. I use neither KDE or Gnome but Blackbox and apps that aren't part of either system. It's all about choice and their are hundreds.
 
Old 02-25-2003, 08:36 PM   #15
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I use fluxbox, but I think, it's pretty nice to see it working on my desktop.
just making a lame joke. sorry. i use openbox myself.
 
  


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