I'll reply rather than editing. Turns out that not being able to run root privilege GUI applications is a choice to change default settings but can easily be "changed back" as one would do under X11. I may be wrong but I've a feeling that a long time ago under a distribution I can't recall I had to do this for plain old X.

you certainly not talk about hardware. the hardware makes senses. changing libraries for a new graphic library makes no point at all. You bring to all waste your X11 applications. This really what is bad with Linux that Libraries are always changing, new, and nothing never work on same libs.You rewrite all WMs just because you have a new wayland with cool effects. wow so cool to rewrite again all from beginning, maybe, that's fun to reinvent the wheel and code long, unefficient, wayland codes.

Furthermore, many (open source) hackers are proud if they achieve large amounts of code, because they believe the more lines of code they’ve written, the more progress they have made. The more progress they have made, the more skilled they are. This is simply a delusion.

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X11 isn't a wheel being replaced; it's always been a flat tire.

there is research and fun done on X11 for leisure and non business.

The Freedesktop Wayland FAQ answers a number of questions. Daniel Stone (former Xorg developer and Wayland developer) has mentioned a number of times about why Xorg developers felt the need to start over, rather than the effort of keeping Xorg alive...

http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online...land-the-New-X

The nature of humans is destruction, right? Destroy X11 and instead force to use Wayland instead.
A long life of remaking wheels.

This is good, of course, to develop and clean up code. To rebrand codes and make it free to use and dev.
However, this is not good to avoid people to use X11 by replacing something that needs to be learned for educational purposes. Wayland will replace X11 in Slackware and more business Debian/Ubuntu distros.
Where is education gone and freedom since still people are using and needing X11 for running important, education or research, elaborated software? They'll take away the freedom of users. This is no respect of freedom. Furthermore, Who care about education and students working on X11? Does forcing to use Wayland on all coming Linux distro respect user freedom ?



As soon as someone has a good or bad idea, anyhow, Linux will replace what is working by something else, without asking or caring about users. I sincerely believe that the idea of M. Richard Stallman is extremely good and need care and respect. He is not any god to me, but the deep idea is awesome, if you can really understand it well.
Is this is free software?
- no, because users haven't any chooses.
view this from Lord, truly respectfull, Richard: http://audio-video.gnu.org/video/sho...r-freedoms.ogv



Maybe, it is that young generation of programmers have missed the whole spirit of GNU and free software.
Free means freedom and non free / gratis. wow gratis operating system, so cool. They simply did not understand the whole point. If you have time and think to get more new about it, you could for instance just visit here the videos and try to get the point:
http://audio-video.gnu.org/video/
https://www.gnu.org/education/education.html

Thanks for supporting your free software fundation and your freedom.

If you're a user who doesn't contribute code, like me for example, then why would you expect to have any say in this?
Besides, the developers developing this code for us all have decided that keeping X11 is causing too many issues for them, that means too many issues for us because they're struggling to keep the thing working with modern hardware and software needs.

Now if, as I mentioned in a previous post, somebody has a link to somebody involved in Linux development questioning the need to replace X11 then that's something important. Otherwise all I see are consumers moaning that the sky is falling.

Besides, as I also posted above I've been using Wayland on my laptop in it's unfinished state and the only think that doesn't work is Redshift. I'd say that for software still in development with no release date in sight that's pretty darn good going. If XFCE moved to Wayland I'd be happy using Wayland day-to-day on my laptop. On my desktop, admittedly, Wayland seems a long way off but, then X11 barely works on that so there is the possibility that Wayland will improve things if the developers are thinking about multi-head support.

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this.
also: do you know how many similarly bemoaned changes have been happening already, right under your nose, or before you started using linux?

my attitude right now is:
my distro will tell me when it's time to do the switch, and since i certainly won't be the only one, the process will be sufficiently smooth.


agreed.

There will always be choice.

If you don't want systemd, then there are non-systemd distros to choose from.

If you don't want pulseaudio, don't use it.

If you don't want Wayland then choose a distro that doesn't use it or which offers an X.org fallback.

When a distro is making decisions on what to employ, it has to look at the costs and the benefits, including what structure is being used by the distro it is based on, if any, the levels of maintenance/configuration required and, most importantly, what works or doesn't.

In the real world, a distro's maintainer(s) cannot solely pander to the requirements of the distro's users, although they can be taken into account, as they should be. There are a host of other factors to consider.

And if the maintainer(s) do decide to adopt Wayland, for example, this doesn't mean that they're impinging on the rights of those users who don't want it. The only rights are the right to be able to use a distro and to choose to use a different one if one chooses.

Look how difficult it must be for a distro like Mint. It not only has to respect any fundamental system design decisions by Debian, it also has to respect those by Ubuntu (to do otherwise would probably require too much configuration for each release). And now we have Canonical pressing ahead with Mir instead of Wayland. Personally, if I were Mint, I would be seriously thinking of concentrating more on LMDE (based purely off Debian), with additional support for PPA's, rather than basing myself off a distribution that seems eager to embrace its own unique form of uncertainty in its decisions.

However, knowing Mint, they'll sit back and see what happens, one of the advantages of a distribution that lies a distance from the bleeding edge. And I'm happy to sit there with them, knowing that if they make a decision which I fundamentally disagree with or makes my Linux desktop experience less viable, then there are a plethora of alternative distros I can use.

Security is one good reason. There is a good article here, for example.

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Thanks for that link. I knew Joanna Rutkowska isn't someone to ignore, but was ignorant of her blog.

Martin Gräßlin also wrote about some of the security aspects https://blog.martin-graesslin.com/bl...plasmawayland/ http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blo...not-be-secure/ and more links within those posts.

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If each time Slackware had to make a new distro from zero at each new security bugs....

Maybe my experience is atypical but...
I can count the number of Linux servers I've managed that even spawn an Xserver on one hand. Normally, if you find X running on one of those things, you shut it off and do a root cause analysis. Add to that your average MBA thinks an X server is the girl who brings him drinks in a topless bar and you begin to realize that the money in Linux doesn't care. After the hosing systemD gave them, (we spent a half a million dollars to get them to do the thing they already did?!?!??!) I don't think they are in the mood for any more bright ideas from spunky young developers, so don't expect a stampede in the commercial market (i.e it becomes the only option on RHEL, Debian or Susse). Ubuntu may bite on it, but if your using Ubuntu, you've already made peace with their habits.

and the only reamining market segment is us, the Linux users, and we're all about choice, right? So no worries.

I believe this too.

Furthermore, it seems that you are against SystemD.

Most Linux users (check those Ubuntu's boards) don't even know that SystemD exists Who care about having a console? what for?

In that regard I am similar to a prostitute, if you have the money, I'll get up against anything you like. I long ago gave up having personal affection for software stacks, I'm simply pointing out what has been pointed out to me, repeatedly, basically every time the subject of systemd comes up among MBAs.


EDIT: With the exception of Slackware, I just can't seem to get the fan out of the boy when it comes to the Holy Distro....