LinuxQuestions.org
Welcome to the most active Linux Forum on the web.
Home Forums Tutorials Articles Register
Go Back   LinuxQuestions.org > Forums > Linux Forums > Linux - General
User Name
Password
Linux - General This Linux forum is for general Linux questions and discussion.
If it is Linux Related and doesn't seem to fit in any other forum then this is the place.

Notices


Reply
  Search this Thread
Old 05-13-2009, 09:04 AM   #1
Completely Clueless
Member
 
Registered: Mar 2008
Location: Marbella, Spain
Distribution: Many and various...
Posts: 899

Rep: Reputation: 70
Why do so many distros fall flat?


I mean, don't get me wrong. I'm perfectly happy using the few distros I get on well with, but I had to kiss SO many frogs before I found my princes. And every now and again I like to try a new distro just out of curiosity. However, the failure rate for whatever reason is typically a good 35%.

For example, I just tried installing OpenSuse 11.1 from CD and it gets to a certain point and the video just goes down. Even on 'failsafe' the same thing happens; video goes and there's no response from the keyboard.

I then tried the latest Mint 6.0 on the same partition, again from CD and it went in like a charm; smooth as you like. Same with PCLinuxOS and Mepis, there were no problems encountered during their installations, either.

I guess it's all down to hardware and drivers/modules, but why do SOME distros seem to get it right every time and others always seem to fail so badly? I mean, particularly a well-established flavour like Suse that's been around for ages and it's STILL crap! Why??
 
Old 05-13-2009, 09:14 AM   #2
forrestt
Senior Member
 
Registered: Mar 2004
Location: Cary, NC, USA
Distribution: Fedora, Kubuntu, RedHat, CentOS, SuSe
Posts: 1,288

Rep: Reputation: 99
I think this has to do with two competing philosophies. One philosophy is to produce a distro that will be stable over a number of years and not change much. The other is that the latest and greatest features should be available.
(Stable here means doesn't change, not doesn't crash. Doesn't crash should be mandatory with any final version.)

Suse is built on the philosophy of not changing (so it is more attractive for business use). The other distros you mention seem to me to be more geared to the latest feature type philosophy. It may simply be that the kernel modules you need are a newer feature (or a feature of a newer kernel that was decided to not be upgraded in the Suse you are using so as to prevent potentially breaking something in someone's server).

Just a guess,

Forrest
 
Old 05-13-2009, 09:15 AM   #3
Raynus
Member
 
Registered: Apr 2007
Location: BKK, Thailand
Distribution: Gentoo 10.1
Posts: 112
Blog Entries: 2

Rep: Reputation: 15
correct me if i'm wrong.

The major distro will encounter the legal problem, while the rest will not

the example is ubuntu & mint

that's y there's an almost-complete codec and ATI/NVIDIA driver installed come out-of-the-box (in mint)

while in the major distro (ubuntu) u will have to install it manually (from its repository)

Last edited by Raynus; 05-13-2009 at 09:16 AM.
 
Old 05-13-2009, 11:05 AM   #4
H_TeXMeX_H
LQ Guru
 
Registered: Oct 2005
Location: $RANDOM
Distribution: slackware64
Posts: 12,928
Blog Entries: 2

Rep: Reputation: 1301Reputation: 1301Reputation: 1301Reputation: 1301Reputation: 1301Reputation: 1301Reputation: 1301Reputation: 1301Reputation: 1301Reputation: 1301
Why ? Because they do. That's the way they are. That's the way things turned out.

I've also had many negative experiences with many distros, and I'd count the failure rate at way higher than 35 %, more like 70-80 %. Most distros disappoint me. Good thing there's still slackware otherwise I'd probably try to switch to *BSD.
 
Old 05-13-2009, 11:54 AM   #5
Completely Clueless
Member
 
Registered: Mar 2008
Location: Marbella, Spain
Distribution: Many and various...
Posts: 899

Original Poster
Rep: Reputation: 70
Wink

Quote:
Originally Posted by H_TeXMeX_H View Post
Why ? Because they do. That's the way they are. That's the way things turned out.

I've also had many negative experiences with many distros, and I'd count the failure rate at way higher than 35 %, more like 70-80 %. Most distros disappoint me. Good thing there's still slackware otherwise I'd probably try to switch to *BSD.
Well earlier today I installed Slackware 12.2 on my multi-boot desktop machine and have yet to try it (it came with only LILO which is SO old hat and I haven't hooked up GRUB for it yet). I have always been very impressed with Slax and have noticed the way Slackware users are venerated and looked up to by everyone except the BSDers and the Solaris crowd. Some day maybe I'd like to join 'em. I don't expect to be venerated, though, being a bit clueless at times. :-/
 
Old 05-13-2009, 01:28 PM   #6
SlowCoder
Senior Member
 
Registered: Oct 2004
Location: Southeast, U.S.A.
Distribution: Debian based
Posts: 1,250

Rep: Reputation: 164Reputation: 164
In my mind, the reason distros are different is that they are built upon a purpose set by the maintaner (Redhat,Slackware,Ubuntu, etc.). If the purpose for which they are designed is not the purpose you want them for, they will "fall flat" as you put it.

For instance, Fedora is a bleeding edge distro by Redhat. It is released by Redhat as a test bed for newest software before they put it in their enterprise OS.
Ubuntu is geared toward the desktop user, and is tweaked in such ways as to make it as easy to use as possible.
CentOS is a "clone" of Redhat Enterprise.
Slackware is more technical, and (from the beginning of time) has a big library of hacking tools right out of the box.

Each has a different purpose, and it's up to the user to determine if it will work for them.
 
Old 05-13-2009, 02:24 PM   #7
pixellany
LQ Veteran
 
Registered: Nov 2005
Location: Annapolis, MD
Distribution: Mint
Posts: 17,809

Rep: Reputation: 743Reputation: 743Reputation: 743Reputation: 743Reputation: 743Reputation: 743Reputation: 743
For 95% of my needs, almost any distro works. It's the last 5% that had me using "Schizophrenic 0.1" for well over a year.

The problem for distro authors/maintainers is that the last "5%" is different for everyone.

The key items that kept me in schizo-land:
Must have the seamless user-switching functionality of kdm (hint--only possible with KDE)
basic automation by default--eg automounting when inserting a CD
basic things like sound should be installed an configured by default.
No fancy stuff--3D, transparency, and all the other little cutesy things
Provide proprietary drivers and plugins by default
no silly re-branding---I want Firefox, and not Iceweasel, Bon Echo, or Gran Paradiso.
no ubuntu "no-root-user" nonsense.

I'm almost there-----If I could get the "kdemod" version of KDE 3.5.10 into Mepis, I'd be at 99.9% (At least Mepis provides KDE 3.5.10 by default)
 
  


Reply



Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Fall already!!! Jeebizz General 24 09-15-2008 01:05 PM
The Fall of Microsoft Office linuxmaveric Linux - News 7 06-04-2008 01:54 AM
C++ switch fall-through ToothlessRebel Programming 5 02-07-2006 11:01 AM
Flatscreen and 9.3 Install Fall off linchat SUSE / openSUSE 4 07-13-2005 10:57 PM
The Fall of TechTV Zuggy General 7 01-13-2005 03:51 AM

LinuxQuestions.org > Forums > Linux Forums > Linux - General

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:53 PM.

Main Menu
Advertisement
My LQ
Write for LQ
LinuxQuestions.org is looking for people interested in writing Editorials, Articles, Reviews, and more. If you'd like to contribute content, let us know.
Main Menu
Syndicate
RSS1  Latest Threads
RSS1  LQ News
Twitter: @linuxquestions
Open Source Consulting | Domain Registration