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Old 10-19-2005, 01:06 PM   #1
Elim_Garak
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Display to far left and up


Hello,

I just installed SuSE 10.0
Most of it worked out of the box.
Just a bit of a display problem.
Display seems to be about an inch to far to the left and 1/4 inch to far up.

Guessing it has to do with the starting X,Y coordinates for the display, not sure where to find those though.
Could not find any options in KDE-Control-Centre/Peripherals/Display that would help.

Here is a snap shot of my XF86Config (There is no XF86Config-4):

*********************************************************************

# SaX generated X11 config file
# Created on: 2005-10-18T15:49:15-0400.
#
# Version: 7.1
# Contact: Marcus Schaefer <sax@suse.de>, 2002
#
# Automatically generated by [ISaX] (7.1)
# PLEASE DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE!
#
Section "Files"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc:unscaled"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/local"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi:unscaled"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi:unscaled"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/URW"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/PEX"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/latin2/misc:unscaled"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/latin2/75dpi:unscaled"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/latin2/100dpi:unscaled"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/latin2/Type1"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/latin7/75dpi:unscaled"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/baekmuk:unscaled"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/japanese:unscaled"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/kwintv"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/truetype"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/uni:unscaled"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/CID"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/ucs/misc:unscaled"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/ucs/75dpi:unscaled"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/ucs/100dpi:unscaled"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/hellas/misc:unscaled"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/hellas/75dpi:unscaled"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/hellas/100dpi:unscaled"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/hellas/Type1"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/sgi:unscaled"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/xtest"
FontPath "/opt/kde3/share/fonts"
InputDevices "/dev/ttyS0"
InputDevices "/dev/ttyS1"
InputDevices "/dev/ttyS2"
InputDevices "/dev/ttyS3"
InputDevices "/dev/ttyS4"
InputDevices "/dev/ttyS5"
InputDevices "/dev/ttyS6"
InputDevices "/dev/ttyS7"
InputDevices "/dev/ttyS8"
InputDevices "/dev/psaux"
InputDevices "/dev/logibm"
InputDevices "/dev/sunmouse"
InputDevices "/dev/atibm"
InputDevices "/dev/amigamouse"
InputDevices "/dev/atarimouse"
InputDevices "/dev/inportbm"
InputDevices "/dev/gpmdata"
InputDevices "/dev/mouse"
InputDevices "/dev/usbmouse"
InputDevices "/dev/adbmouse"
InputDevices "/dev/input/mice"
InputDevices "/dev/input/event0"
InputDevices "/dev/pointer0"
InputDevices "/dev/pointer1"
InputDevices "/dev/pointer2"
InputDevices "/dev/pointer3"
EndSection

Section "ServerFlags"
Option "AllowMouseOpenFail"
EndSection

Section "Module"
Load "freetype"
Load "type1"
Load "dbe"
Load "glx"
Load "extmod"
Load "v4l"
Load "dri"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Driver "kbd"
Identifier "Keyboard[0]"
Option "Protocol" "Standard"
Option "XkbLayout" "us"
Option "XkbModel" "pc104"
Option "XkbRules" "xfree86"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Driver "mouse"
Identifier "Mouse[1]"
Option "Buttons" "5"
Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice"
Option "Name" "Logitech Optical USB Mouse"
Option "Protocol" "explorerps/2"
Option "Vendor" "Sysp"
Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
DisplaySize 337 270
HorizSync 31-82
Identifier "Monitor[0]"
ModelName "1703FP"
Option "DPMS"
VendorName "DELL"
VertRefresh 58-75
UseModes "Modes[0]"
EndSection

Section "Modes"
Identifier "Modes[0]"
Modeline "1024x768" 79.52 1024 1032 1144 1360 768 769 772 801
Modeline "800x600" 47.53 800 840 920 1040 600 601 604 626
Modeline "800x600" 40.19 800 832 912 1024 600 601 604 623
Modeline "768x576" 43.52 768 800 880 992 576 577 580 601
Modeline "768x576" 37.37 768 800 880 992 576 577 580 598
Modeline "640x480" 29.84 640 664 728 816 480 481 484 501
Modeline "640x480" 25.10 640 656 720 800 480 481 484 498
EndSection

Section "Screen"
DefaultDepth 24
SubSection "Display"
Depth 15
Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "768x576" "640x480"
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Depth 16
Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "768x576" "640x480"
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Depth 24
Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "768x576" "640x480"
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Depth 32
Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "768x576" "640x480"
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Depth 8
Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "768x576" "640x480"
EndSubSection
Device "Device[0]"
Identifier "Screen[0]"
Monitor "Monitor[0]"
EndSection

Section "Device"
BoardName "i845"
BusID "0:2:0"
Driver "i810"
Identifier "Device[0]"
Screen 0
VendorName "Intel"
EndSection

Section "ServerLayout"
Identifier "Layout[all]"
InputDevice "Keyboard[0]" "CoreKeyboard"
InputDevice "Mouse[1]" "CorePointer"
Option "Clone" "off"
Option "Xinerama" "off"
Screen "Screen[0]"
EndSection

Section "DRI"
Group "video"
Mode 0660
EndSection

Section "Extensions"
EndSection

*********************************************************************

Here is a snapshot of a file on CD for my monitor including specifications:


General
Model number 1703FP

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Flat Panel
Screen type Active matrix - TFT LCD
Screen dimensions 17 inches (17-inch viewable image size)
Preset display area:
Horizontal 337 mm (13.3 inches)
Vertical 270 mm (10.6 inches)
Pixel pitch 0.264 mm
Viewing angle +/- 85 (vertical) typ, +/- 85 (horizontal) typ

Luminance output 250 CD/m (typ)

Contrast ratio 600 to 1 (typ)

Faceplate coating Antiglare with hard-coating 3H

Backlight CCFL (4) edgelight system
Response Time 25ms typical

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Resolution
Horizontal scan range 31 kHz to 80 kHz (automatic)
Vertical scan range 56 Hz to 76 Hz (automatic)
Optimal preset resolution 1280 x 1024 at 60 Hz
Highest preset resolution 1280 x 1024 at 75 Hz
* Highest addressable resolution 1280 x 1024 at 75 Hz
* Addressable means the monitor will sync up to this mode.
However, Dell does not guarantee the image will be sized, shaped and centered correctly.
Dell guarantees image size and centering for all preset modes listed in the following table.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Preset Display Modes
Display Mode Horizontal Frequency (kHz) Vertical Frequency (Hz) Pixel Clock (MHz) Sync Polarity (Horizontal/Vertical)
VESA 640 x 480 37.5 75.0 31.5 -/-
VESA, 800 x 600 37.9 60.3 49.5 +/+
VESA, 800 x 600 46.9 75.0 49.5 +/+
VESA, 1024 x 768 48.4 60.0 65.0 -/-
VESA, 1024 x 768 60.0 75.0 78.8 +/+
VESA, 1152 x 864 67.5 75.0 108 +/+
VESA, 1280 x 1024 64.0 60.0 135.0 +/+
VESA, 1280 x 1024 80.0 75.0 135.0 +/+



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Electrical
Video input signals Analog RGB, 0.7 Volts +/-5%, positive polarity at 75 ohm input impedance
Digital DVI-D TMDS, 600mV for each differential line, positive polarity at 50 ohm input impedance
Synchronization input signals Separate horizontal and vertical synchronizations, polarity-free TTL level, SOG (SSN on green)
AC input voltage / frequency / current 90 to 264 VAC / 50 or 60 Hz + 3 Hz / 2.0A (Max.)
Inrush current 110V: 30A (Max.)
220V: 60A (Max.)

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Physical Characteristics
Connector type 15-pin D-subminiature, blue connector; DVI-D, white connector
Signal cable type Analog: Detachable, D-sub, 15pin, shipped attached to the monitor
Digital: Detachable, DVI-D, Solid pins, shipped detached from the monitor
Dimensions (with stand):
Height (fully extended in portrait mode) 546 mm (21.50 inches)
Height (compressed/locked in landscape mode) 380 mm (14.96 inches)
Width 376 mm (14.8 inches)
Depth 212.8 mm (8.37 inches)
Weight (monitor only) 7.0 Kg (15.43 lb)
Weight (with packaging) 8.7 Kg (19.18 lb)

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Environmental
Temperature:
Operating 5 to 35C (41 to 95F)
Nonoperating Storage: 0 to 60C (32 to 140F)
Shipping: -20 to 60C(-4 to 140F)
Humidity:
Operating 10% to 80% (noncondensing)
Nonoperating Storage: 5% to 90% (noncondensing)
Shipping: 5% to 90%(noncondensing)
Altitude:
Operating 3,657.6m (12,000 ft) max
Nonoperating 12,192 m (40,000 ft) max
Thermal dissipation 238.84 BTU/hour (maximum)
187.66 BTU/hour (typical)


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Power Management Modes
If you have VESA's DPMS compliance display card or software installed in your PC, the monitor can automatically reduce its power consumption when not in use. This is referred to as 'Power Save Mode'*. If input from keyboard, mouse or other input devices is detected by the computer, the monitor will automatically "wake up". The following table shows the power consumption and signaling of this automatic power saving feature:

VESA Modes Horizontal Sync Vertical Sync Video Power Indicator Power Consumption
Normal operation Active Active Active Green 70 W (maximum);
55 W (typical)
Active-off mode Inactive Inactive Blanked Amber Less than 3 W
Switch off - - - Off Less than 1 W

Note: The OSD will only function in the 'normal operation' mode. Otherwise one of the following messages will appear depending upon the selected input.


1. Analog Input
In Power Save Mode

Press Any Key on Keyboard or Move Mouse
or
2. Digital Input
In Power Save Mode

Press Any Key on Keyboard or Move Mouse



Activate the computer and 'wake up' the monitor to gain access to the OSD.

This monitor is ENERGY STAR-compliant as well as TCO '99/ TCO '03 power management compatible.


* Zero power consumption in OFF mode can only be achieved by disconnecting the main cable from the monitor.

ENERGY STAR is a U.S. registered mark. As an ENERGY STAR Partner, DELL has determined that this product meets the ENERGY STAR guidelines for energy efficiency.


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Pin Assignments
15-pin D-Sub connector:


Pin Number Monitor Side of the 15-Pin Side Signal Cable
1 Video-Red
2 Video-Green
3 Video-Blue
4 GND
5 GND
6 GND-R
7 GND-G
8 GND-B
9 DDC +5V
10 Sync/self-test
11 GND
12 DDC data
13 H-sync
14 V-sync
15 DDC clock




24 pin digital-only DVI connector:


Note: Pin 1 is at the top right.

Pin Signal Assignment Pin Signal Assignment Pin Signal Assignment
1 T.M.D.S. Data 2- 9 T.M.D.S. Data 1- 17 T.M.D.S. Data 0-
2 T.M.D.S. Data 2+ 10 T.M.D.S. Data 1+ 18 T.M.D.S. Data 0+
3 T.M.D.S. Data 2 Shield 11 T.M.D.S. Data 1 Shield 19 T.M.D.S. Data 0 Shield
4 No Pin 12 No Pin 20 No Pin
5 No Pin 13 No Pin 21 No Pin
6 DDC Clock 14 +5V Power 22 T.M.D.S. Clock Shield
7 DDC Data 15 Ground (for +5V) 23 T.M.D.S. Clock +
8 No Connect 16 Hot Plug Detect 24 T.M.D.S. Clock -

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Universal Serial Bus (USB) Interface
This monitor supports High-Speed Certified USB 2.0 interface.*

Data Rate Power Consumption
High speed 480 Mbps 2.5W (Max., each port)
Full speed 12 Mbps 2.5W (Max., each port)
Low speed 1.5 Mbps 2.5W (Max., each port)



USB ports:

1 upstream - rear
4 downstream - 2 on rear; 2 on left side

*Note: USB 2.0 capability requires 2.0 capable computer


*Monitor's USB interface works ONLY when monitor is Powered ON (or in Power Save Mode). Switching your monitor OFF and then ON would re-enumerate its USB interface; attached peripherals may take a few seconds to resume normal functionality.



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Plug and Play Capability
You can install the monitor in any Plug and Play-compatible system. The monitor automatically provides the computer system with its Extended Display Identification Data (EDID) using Display Data Channel (DDC) protocols so the system can configure itself and optimize the monitor settings. If desired, the user can select different settings, but in most cases monitor installation is automatic.

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Doubt all the details from those 2 files are relavent, but I am no guru.

I then checked out xvidtune as root.
Did not really want to play with this as I am not really sure what each section does.
So I decided to just try moving the Hsync once to the right (just to see if it would do anything, was planning to change it back after) and received the following message:

Sorry: You have requested a mode-line, that is not possible, or supported by your hardware configuration.

I am assuming this is referring to the mode-lines for each resolution in the XF86Config file.

I then looked up modelines.
Found a site that explains how the values are calculated, but not what each parameter is responsible for.

I then checked the XFree86 Howto and either the information I am looking for is not there, or I just do not understand it.

All I want to know is what value for which parameter in which config file will adjust my display left-right up-down on a permanent basis.

I appeal to the Linux/X Guru's

Thanks

PJ
 
Old 10-20-2005, 08:18 AM   #2
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OK this might seem like a really obvious question, but did you try to set the display from the monitor itself? Normally the monitor can be used to adjust the location, width, and height of the display, without going through the OS.

I currently run a triple-boot system where the display is exactly the same on all 3 OS'es, but I once had a dual-boot that had the display nicely in the middle of one, and off to the side on the other.

Anyway, I read your post but didn't see any reference to whether you tried this on the monitor.
 
Old 10-20-2005, 12:54 PM   #3
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Good question Avatar.

No I did not try this.

When researching this before I had posted this, I had read that somebody else tried that to fix their Linux display, and when the booted into Windows, it was then messed up.

After reading that, I just took it at face value and did not bother trying.

Would this happen?

Personally, I could live with the Windows display being off center lol but the wife would kill me.

In any event, I will try in about 9 hours, running 10 minutes late for work.

Thanks

PJ
 
Old 10-20-2005, 12:56 PM   #4
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Could not find any options in KDE-Control-Centre/Peripherals/Display that would help.
Well, you wouldn't, since KDE has no control over the X server!

You can learn about what the modeline values mean in the X video timings howto:

http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/XFree86-Vi...WTO/index.html
 
Old 10-20-2005, 02:00 PM   #5
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Originally posted by Elim_Garak

When researching this before I had posted this, I had read that somebody else tried that to fix their Linux display, and when the booted into Windows, it was then messed up.

Would this happen?

PJ
Well as I said, this did happen to me once, it's not like the display screwed up it was just off to the side slightly. But I currently run Win98, Win2K and Linux (mandrake) on one computer at work and the display is the same for all 3.

Since you have dual boot, is it only off on Linux? What happens when you boot to Windows?

Try adjusting the monitor to make it look "perfect" in Linux and then boot into Windows and see if it's still the same. If not you can always switch it back.
 
Old 10-20-2005, 07:29 PM   #6
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Thanks IOError, I will check out that link.

Much appreciated
 
Old 10-20-2005, 07:34 PM   #7
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Yes Avatar, mine is just a dual boot.
Currently Windows is fine, just Suse off center.

Will try your tip when I get home and will let you know.

Thanks again
 
Old 10-20-2005, 11:15 PM   #8
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Avatar,

Worked like a charm.

Rebooted each system once to make sure.
Seeing straight for the fist time in 3 days.

Thanks again
 
Old 11-01-2005, 09:50 AM   #9
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