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View Poll Results: Are you for or against systemd?
People bare it and even better keep installing it, right?
Many many Ubuntu users are there (with Systemd).
Brrr ... mental capacity of an average systemd propagandist is frightening indeed.
This sounds like Ubuntu users have to make an extra step after installing Ubuntu, by removing another init system to install systemd. Whether in fact they simply do not have a choice.
Brrr ... mental capacity of an average systemd propagandist is frightening indeed.
Not only an ad hominem attack, but also arguing that someone who talks in favour of systemd is automatically a "propagandist". Not very cool.
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Useless, pointless thread.
Agreed. The LQ equivalent of putting the cat among the pigeons. But then again, some people are perhaps new to Linux and unaware of the bitter polemic that the development of systemd has created.
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If it were just another init system, there would have been no outcry, but it is not, it is being integrated into other programs, causing a lot of bother to people who like 'freedom', whether you are for it or not, you can see that for your self.
Personally, I like the unix way of doing things, & will continue to support those who continue along this line.
This is one of the dislikes of systemd that I was suspecting and has answered one of my initial questions, about systemd. Good answer - but I still have no opinion ether in favor or otherwise. But thank you again for your answer.
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Agreed. The LQ equivalent of putting the cat among the pigeons. But then again, some people are perhaps new to Linux and unaware of the bitter polemic that the development of systemd has created.
I was (and am) honesty (as DavidMcCann said in post #4) trying find out how people's opinion's of systemd, have "ended up" (as DavidMcCann puts it).
And also can you expand on your answer, as your insights are always very interesting to me.
1. I trust the developers of the various distros that use systemd to know what they're doing. They can't all be wrong. The fact that they are developers says something: they obviously know more than I, considering my failure with LFS!
2. It may be difficult to learn, but why should I learn it, any more than I've learned all the ins and outs of System V init? In nearly 20 years, I've only had to reconfigure that twice, and I was able to find instructions on the web. I dare say that I'll have a similar experience when I get round to running a systemd distro.
Wow! That is not a surprise really, but _very_ revealing.
With Casey at the switch and a full head of steam, an epic train wreck seems almost inevitable. More happy than ever to be on a different set of tracks!
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Wow! That is not a surprise really, but _very_ revealing.
With Casey at the switch and a full head of steam, an epic train wreck seems almost inevitable. More happy than ever to be on a different set of tracks!
LOL...Pottering locked comments on April 17th...Voice concerns, report bugs...no problemo just lock the thread.
It bears repeating that Unix was designed for a stand-alone minicomputer. And, for many dozens of years thereafter, computer technology had not yet progressed to the point where we could start deploying distributed solutions that might span dozens, hundreds, or, yes, thousands of machines.
The systemd design team felt that the legacy concepts and facilities simply could not "scale up" to a large numberof machines, especially if those machines were in distant locations that could never physically be reached. They chose to take on a very big and ambitious (IMHO: too B&A ...) agenda, and it was very obvious from the start that their target audience was large-scale deployments.
But it's helpful even on a small scale. I can run "batch jobs." I can gather all of the logs from all of my half-dozen-or-so virtual computers into one place as one log. I can make changes that affect more than one computer at the same time. I can schedule periodic activities using a service-model that is far more sophisticated than "a simple timer." (It can be made adaptive to change: the mere fact that an activity took a few seconds more than usual is no longer something that must be programmed-for in scripts. "Yay!")
To me, there's nothing "philosophical" nor "sentimental" about any of this. It's strictly "where the rubber meets the road ... my(!) road!"
And, frankly: "If you can learn <this>, then you can easily learn <that>."
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To me, there's nothing "philosophical" nor "sentimental" about any of this. It's strictly "where the rubber meets the road ... my(!) road!"
And, frankly: "If you can learn <this>, then you can easily learn <that>."
Then optional it would have been, not a hard dependency of large programs (im looking at you Gnome). OpenRC, runit, etc...are all and have been optional. DE's are optional, only thing mandatory is the kernel (in theory)...so why not the same for systemd, is that not quite sentimental and philosophical of the systemd devs. Especially with comments like BSD is no longer relevant and Slackware/Gentoo are toy distros etc...(Pottering)
But it's helpful even on a small scale. I can run "batch jobs." I can gather all of the logs from all of my half-dozen-or-so virtual computers into one place as one log.
There is always some guys that would like to make business/money from free softwares / Open Source / GNU. Spying and tracking is today common.
Maybe, a solution: the GNU GPL or GPL license could be adapted to avoid falling into the hands of giants such as Gnome/Ubuntu/Google... There is no return for Linux once corporations take control over.
Look Android, it's Linux, and your life and phone data easily into the Google Inc. hands.
Anyhow, there is always the possibility to move to BSD or to rewrite your own kernel. Let's call it FreeUnix.
There is always some guys that would like to make business/money from free softwares / Open Source / GNU. Spying and tracking is today common.
Maybe, a solution: the GNU GPL or GPL license could be adapted to avoid falling into the hands of giants such as Gnome/Ubuntu/Google... There is no return for Linux once corporations take control over.
Look Android, it's Linux, and your life and phone data easily into the Google Inc. hands.
Anyhow, there is always the possibility to move to BSD or to rewrite your own kernel. Let's call it FreeUnix.
So what exactly is the problem with people wanting to make money from free software? You may be misinterpreting the meaning of "free". And that has nothing to do with spying and tracking.
Here's a list of some distros described as being "non-free" by the Free Software Foundation.
It is just meaning that the original "Unix philosophy" is no longer existing in today's Linuxcommunity.
The today's Linux community is not congruent at all.
So, let's take a simple programmer example. Are you ready?
GTK is today classic and standard, right? Compiling this will cause in interesting results on your installation.
The following NEW packages will be installed:
autopoint build-essential debhelper dpkg-dev fakeroot gettext gir1.2-atk-1.0
gir1.2-freedesktop gir1.2-gdkpixbuf-2.0 gir1.2-glib-2.0 gir1.2-gtk-2.0
gir1.2-pango-1.0 intltool-debian libalgorithm-diff-perl
libalgorithm-diff-xs-perl libalgorithm-merge-perl libasprintf-dev
libatk1.0-dev libcairo-script-interpreter2 libcairo2-dev libdpkg-perl
libfakeroot libfile-fcntllock-perl libgdk-pixbuf2.0-dev libgettextpo-dev
libgettextpo0 libgirepository-1.0-1 libgtk2.0-dev libharfbuzz-dev
libharfbuzz-gobject0 liblzo2-2 libmail-sendmail-perl libpango1.0-dev
libpixman-1-dev libsys-hostname-long-perl libxcb-shm0-dev libxcomposite-dev
libxcursor-dev libxi-dev libxml2-utils libxrandr-dev po-debconf
x11proto-composite-dev x11proto-randr-dev
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are you serous
the code looks like an endless loop to me
I don't code in C but it looks to me that all your example dose is open window after
after window after window after window until the power switch is turned off
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