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Lilidog is based on debian stable, with some of the hard parts done, and some cool stuff along the way.
Everything is easily accessible, with numerous options to customize further.
Available Versions:
There are four general builds of full, minimal, minimal-i386, and beardog.
Full - (Approx. 1300 packages), comes with everything necessary to get started without needing initial extra downloads. I would advise most folks to use the full version if looking for an 'out of the box' computing solution with everything you need.
Minimal - (Approx. 1080 packages), has everything the full version does, minus most of the main packages so people can choose their own. This version is great for people that like to tinker, and want to learn a bit more about linux.
Beardog - (Approx. 920 packages), is the 'bare' version of lilidog, allowing users to choose most of what they want. A general knowledge of linux is recommended.
Lilidog-i386 - Uses the same base packages as the amd64 minimal version, but for older 32 bit hardware. You may find you need to boot with the kernel parameter 'forcepae' if you have difficulties.
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Shown in screenshots below. - Current default, Example options for tint2, Dk window manager
Last edited by sleekmason; 03-09-2024 at 08:19 AM.
Reason: Adding screenshot attachments
Notes*
- Updated the debian installer to allow for proper language selection during installation.
- dkwm 2.0 has been released, with new installers made to reflect the change to the new version.
- New polybar configurations for both dkwm and Openbox.
- Wallpaper exchange, adding some new wallpapers into the mix.
- Adjusted liquorix kernel installer for the new download path.
- Beardog - added six new utility installers The new installers are Joplin note, vscodium editor, shortwave radio, xanmod kernel, liquorix kernel, and qemu.
- Beardog - adjusted the kitchensink installer to include mpv and corrected pyradio to function properly.
- removed virtualbox installer menu entry from all of the builds. can still be called from a terminal with 'virtualbox-installer'. Sometimes works well, sometimes not. This installer used the native debian way, through the debian fasttrack repositories.
- removed initial announcement for the display settings icon while in a VM. The icon itself has info on hover, and should be obvious if clicked.
- updated both the scrot and conky-chooser scripts to check for whether they are installed or not, and give a notification to install if not currently installed.
- xed installer adjustment to perform an 'apt update' before to installation.
- also adjusted the dkwm build installers for the 2.0 version. If wanting to build directly, call with 'dkwm-installer-build' from a terminal. If unsure, I recommend using the regular installer found in the Lilidog/Beardog installers through the menu or 'plus' symbol dialog in the tint2 panel.
Unique selling point? Hope that is what you mean.)
A huge number of customizations making Openbox an easy to use setup. Lots of hard to install packages readily available through the Lilidog installers, including items such as Google Earth, Maestral (opensource dropbox client), Shortwave radio player, Skype, Zoom, Hblock, and more. A separate lightweight Window Manager (dkwm) utilizing polybar is available through the installers as well.
36 separate light and dark themes in an easy to use dialog that also change the openbox, geany, and terminal colors on the fly. Access to different toggles for separate uses ranging from system transparency settings, autologin, conky's, font sizes, and more. Readily available tint2 customization allowing for different themes, size of panel, and placement with just a click or two. A simple menu system designed to be easy to use and access in a number of ways ranging from the standard menu (jgmenu), A full rofi menu, and dmenu. Options to switch to the default openbox menu readily available.
An active forum community with quick answers for any questions asked, where folks can be themselves without worrying about impressing others. Knowledgeable moderators and members who add to the community.
Active development of the distro itself, with four different versions providing a range of use based on the users need and wants, with new releases being added with fixes and new items as they are completed, with posts related to such items for those who cannot perform a fresh upgrade.
Two ways to install, using both the Calamares installer through a live session, and the debian installer for more in-depth installs.
Lilidog sticks to the debian basics, using the debian stable repositories only, so any installation of packages (other than the custom package installs) ensures compliance with debian standards and use.
The ability to build your own version easily using the official "live build" from debian, with multi part instructions on how to do so, and an active github repository, open to all, with files refreshed continuously for those wanting to tinker further.
And much more! See both the website and forum for more information, and download Lilidog to find out more.
If I had the USP acronym wrong, let me know and I'll answer what I can.)
May I suggest asking Jeremy for your own forum under distributions? Since you are the developer, been a member of LQ and going to monitor here anyway I see no reason not to.
May I suggest asking Jeremy for your own forum under distributions? Since you are the developer, been a member of LQ and going to monitor here anyway I see no reason not to.
Actually it is more like BunsenLabs than antix. From what I understand, a good portion of the distro was built with things and techniques "borrowed" from BunsenLabs and MXLinux.
Actually it is more like BunsenLabs than antix. From what I understand, a good portion of the distro was built with things and techniques "borrowed" from BunsenLabs and MXLinux.
Thank you for your response, but I'm afraid you are somewhat mistaken in your assumptions about the building of the distribution. Here is a little bit of history about lilidog.
I did indeed start Lilidog while a member of the Bunsenlab community, and still am. While Bunsenlabs is an offshoot of the original Crunchbang, Lilidog was originated from an LXDE base build using techniques from debian Live Build and a whole bunch of tinkering in order to create the distribution. This began approximately four years ago. I am, and always will be extremely grateful to the Bunsenlabs community and it's members for allowing me a spot in their forums from which to work and develop my distro, and for answering basically any questions I had at the time. Bunsenlabs has an exceptional community of knowledgeable members who freely gave of their time to help me out. Many of those same members also frequent the Lilidog forum now as well, and continue to provide support and ideas that make Lilidog what it is today. I highly recommend both Bunsenlabs and MX for those who have not tried them.
Anyway, LXDE at that time also used openbox for it's desktop environment (not sure what is used now), so even though Lilidog evolved to remove the desktop environment as such, the decision to keep using openbox was made based for the ability to customize it to a greater degree than other other window managers. At the time, Fluxbox was also a consideration, but ultimately, I wanted a separate panel to provide further customizations and some of the cool features that can be found in Lilidog today. See the second screenshot for some of the tint2 possibilities. It is correct that both Lilidog and Bunsenlabs use tint2 as the panel and jgmenu for the primary menu. This, because the Openbox menu lost it's gui for easy adjustments in debian, and if you want cool customizations in the panel, then tint2 is the way to go. But there, the similarities end. Trying to use either version in each distro would not end well.)
Now to clarify, Lilidog does indeed use a couple of the excellent scripts found in the Bunsenlabs community, though Bunsenlabs itself doesn't provide either one in its distro that I am aware of, namely the hotcorners script revamped from the Crunchbang days, and a script created by one of the Bunsenlabs developers for using jgmenu in a novel way for dialog use similar to yad. An example of which can be found in the Lilidog installers under Install Extras' in the menu. I suppose it's possible there is another one or two I'm not thinking about here. I'll give it some thought. Also with these, there is a thunar related package to remove the extra "set as background" feature of thunar that doesn't work properly unless using the full xfce desktop environment. This package is utilized in Bunsenlabs as well to keep the pesky entry out of the right-click menu. Super glad it was there and provided when I started work on the distribution.
From the MX community, there are two scripts currently in use for Lilidog. Namely the Live USB Maker application, an excellent program used to create live USB's, and the OBkey package, which lists openbox keybinds. Use 'super + o' to see the dialog in both Lilidog and Beardog. Lilidog also utilizes a script from the Peppermint community, namely the marvelous system upgrade script they have produced. And in turn, they may be using some features from Lilidog if I'm not mistaken. Sharing is caring. There are a few other items contributed to Lilidog from it's own member community in the lilidog forum. These include a couple of the conkys, the wonderful random wallpaper script, and the base settings for both Rofi and Polybar among others. It is truly a joy to have others contribute where they can, and I like trying to incorporate as many ideas from the community as I can. Join the Lilidog forum, and you can contribute too!
As Lilidog contains over 206 separate scripts for different uses, those listed above hardly make up the Lilidog distribution but certainly add to it's usefulness for others! Lilidog itself is as original as it gets, with the majority of it's scripts, installers, and themes, all custom made by myself and the rest of the Lilidog community.
So the similarities end there, and under the hood, nothing is the same as any other distro out there, and the features in the respective distributions listed are also completely different. This can be seen by simply downloading all three and checking them out. Lilidog itself was painstakingly built from the ground up, and not based on any other distribution base or style. In fact, the whole point was NOT to do that, to provide something different I thought could be of the most use to others.
Anyone wanting to see the evolution progress of Lilidog can go to it's Sourceforge update page here: https://sourceforge.net/p/lilidog/di...ad/89d02e41c9/ This is where I started to list every release from 2-19-2021 until now. There were of course changes before this too, but I had yet to offer it on Sourceforge, and now there are four separate versions to fit folks particular needs whether it be an i386 version or minimal.
Thank you much for giving me the opportunity to further explain the details behind Lilidog and the history of it's making! I hope I have been informative, and have answered most questions folks might have in this regard.)
See This Post in the Lilidog forum for pictures and an alternate download link.
Whats new:
New DKWM installer release 2.1 added.
New SOWM installer added.
New nano text editor installer for custom options.
New installer for lemonbar with xft support.
Removed printer item in Quick installers. See the Utilities menu for printer support.
Changed the icons to Obsidian Aqua.
New default wallpaper.
Changed paw color in neofetch and pfetch to blue.
Dunst adjustments for placement and transparency.
Conky adjustments for the clock and build date for placement and alignment.
Last edited by sleekmason; 03-22-2024 at 06:40 PM.
If Beardog is supposed to be so lean and "bare", then why all the "bloat"? At least compared to Arch based distros and Void linux? Why all the "extra" packages in comparison? And why is it considered as a "Projects not ready" by Distrowatch even after almost 3 years?
^ It is neat to see the comparisons between debian based distros like Beardog and different arch based distros.)
It looks like you are using Beardog in a Live environment? Nice! Once installed, the Beardog package count goes down by another 102 packages from the removal of the Calamares installer available to install the distro from the live session if desired. This brings the package count down from 1036 to 934 after installation, and folks can remove quite a few more packages depending on the options they choose afterwards.
As a side note, DKWM and SOWM are also available from the utility installers if wanting to use something a bit unique and even lighter than openbox. Both provide a ready to use environment for those interested.
As far as Distrowatch goes, I thank you for your concern, and hope the good folks there will take another look at our project soon!
See the screenshot in the link below for a glimpse of the new Beardog version installed in Virtualbox, now available HERE).
Just for comparison, Archbang running live with no additions, and then installed with apps such as ristretto, gimp, vlc, firefox, tor browser, chromium, leafpad, galculator, picom, xreader, screenshooter, power manager, converseen, mintstick, xfce4-dictionary, xfce4-terminal, lxterminal, lxtask, aisleriot, mahjongg, tetravex, iagno, and possibly a few more apps I dont remember. Mem usuage is with firefox running and 12 tabs open.
This is a maintenance and change release for tint2 and the default tint2 icons. These changes have become necessary for the continuation of development for tint2 in Lilidog/Beardog, and should be the last major change in this area, allowing for future development without disrupting the current setup. Sorry for any inconvenience caused. Better to do this now than wait until it becomes a huge issue.
NOTE* If wanting to reinstall but not change your $HOME directory, you will need to change the tint2 setup to the new style by using the tint2-default-installer, either from the terminal or from the System installers in Lilidog, or in the Beardog utilities installer. This will also make a backup of your existing tint2 folder as ~/.config/tint2.bak. This installer just grabs the default version from /etc/skel and creates a backup
Another possible necessary change is if you use the "default theme reset". If so, change lines 80-81 in ~/.config/lilidog-themes/default. Replace with:
Code:
sed -i 's/coltint2.*\//coltint2ozark\//g' "$HOME"/.config/tint2/tint2rc
sed -i 's/\(coltint2ozark.*\)....*$/\1svg/g' "$HOME"/.config/tint2/tint2rc
Beardog does not have this option, and it is not necessary in Lilidog unless you use this feature.
A new option offered is to use the tint2-less-installer, which will give you a tint2 version with just four icons instead of the usual nine. If using this version, the items removed can be found in the hamburger menu in tint2, and the toggles menu in jgmenu.
In this release, the /usr/share/icons/ld-icons folder has been updated with new icons for tint2 and the removal of any obsolete icons. This cleans up the folder quite a bit, changing the size down from 2.4MB to 1.1MB, and replaces all of the tint2 default .png icons with .svg, making for a cleaner and lighter footprint in tint2.
With these changes comes a whole host of other changes necessary to make this all work. Mostly under the hood for future development, but not a whole lot on the surface other than the obvious change in icons, and the addition of two new sets for the tint2 theme changer.
The new icon sets are papirus and telacircle and are available from the tint2 theme changer. Both of these sets are also .svg, while the remaining icons are all .png. What is neat about this, is that you can make up a whole new folder set, or just commandeer one of the existing /usr/share/icons/ld-icons folders for your own use.
The only caveat being to stay with either .svg or .png depending on what is already in the folder, or make adjustments to /usr/local/bin/tint2-iconcolor. If wanting to add a new folder to the changer, simply copy one of the existing sections in /usr/local/bin/tint2-iconcolor to make your own.
If just wanting to add an icon or two, you also have the option of adding them in both tint2 and one of the existing folders, which will change them out when switching through the dialog, or just adding any icon type as desired without adding to the folders and it will remain through any changes made.
Folks can of course ignore all of this and just make their own tint2 setup if desired. Choice is good.)
What' new:
- New default tint2 icons, changed from .png to .svg format.
- Two new tint2 icon sets, Papirus and telecircle.
- New tint2 option in the installers for a version with just four icons rather the usual nine.
- The new additions of 'tint2 settings' and 'update' in the 'hamburger' menu of tint2. (formally the 'paw')
- notification improvement and fixes for the battery section of the tint2 settings.
- Several script improvements related to all of the above.
- New pfetch colors.
- New sowm installer option for sowm with focused borders. Available from the system installers.
- The addition of the sowm base file and patches in the download folder. (/tmp/sowm-files upon installation)
Lots of changes this round so please let me know of any issues encountered and we'll get them sorted out.
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