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Old 10-04-2016, 08:37 PM   #16
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Void Linux dude go to VOID LINUX FORUM HERE and post your info and stats and stuff see what they say...
Eh, won't bother. If they allowed anonymous posting, I would, but not signing up for something that fails so hard. While I like trying out new OS's, if I have to jump through that many hoops to make it run on the most plain jane vanilla hardware there is (EVERYTHING Intel), then IMO, the OS just doesn't deserve wasting my time to get it working. Might be only 1 guy, but this hardware is supported in the most vanilla kernel since like 4.0...and it kernel panics?

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Old 10-04-2016, 08:47 PM   #17
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Eh, won't bother. If they allowed anonymous posting, I would, but not signing up for something that fails so hard. While I like trying out new OS's, if I have to jump through that many hoops to make it run on the most plain jane vanilla hardware there is (EVERYTHING Intel), then IMO, the OS just doesn't deserve wasting my time to get it working. Might be only 1 guy, but this hardware is supported in the most vanilla kernel since like 4.0...and it kernel panics?
I donno what is causing that problem, but every think of trying Slack if you'er into being a "geeky" Linux dude that loves typing a lot until you get everything in there that you want then its pretty much smooth sailing after that, and they have a solid system.
 
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I donno what is causing that problem, but every think of trying Slack if you'er into being a "geeky" Linux dude that loves typing a lot until you get everything in there that you want then its pretty much smooth sailing after that, and they have a solid system.
I've used slack many times. I've learned that I HATE having to do updates manually. I've even tried some of the kludged-in package managers. Haven't felt one that felt like it belonged, and worked like it should. While Slack is a fine os, and very stable, I won't be caught dead running it. Package management w/ dependency resolution or the highway for me.

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Old 10-05-2016, 09:07 AM   #19
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I've used slack many times. I've learned that I HATE having to do updates manually. I've even tried some of the kludged-in package managers. Haven't felt one that felt like it belonged, and worked like it should. While Slack is a fine os, and very stable, I won't be caught dead running it. Package management w/ dependency resolution or the highway for me.
I feel your pain, but I had a extra 15GB's sitting on my HDD with an old install of void linux on it not being used so as of right now I have installed slackware 14.2 and am updating the packages as I write this.

I find it strange you're getting a kernel panic. have you tried looking for an older iso on their webpage sometimes the ios do get messed up (it happens) or it to maybe a HW issue. I donno best of luck in finding a suitable distro you'll like.

distroWatch is the only other palace to go, that is how I found void looking for something that was not a knock off distro.
 
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I feel your pain, but I had a extra 15GB's sitting on my HDD with an old install of void linux on it not being used so as of right now I have installed slackware 14.2 and am updating the packages as I write this.

I find it strange you're getting a kernel panic. have you tried looking for an older iso on their webpage sometimes the ios do get messed up (it happens) or it to maybe a HW issue. I donno best of luck in finding a suitable distro you'll like.

distroWatch is the only other palace to go, that is how I found void looking for something that was not a knock off distro.
Oh, my main distro's are Debian & Fedora. I'm a GIANT Debian fan. I've just recently taken a liking to Fedora since they quit the whole mega-package thing back in the days of F20 and earlier. I USED to be a huge fan of Arch also, but grew tired of it during the days of transition where the squirrels broke it every other day because they decided they wanted to go in a different direction. But I've decided to give it another chance, mostly because pacman is SUCH a nice package manager, and Antergos offers such an easy installer for it (the installation of Arch is just annoying anymore, I won't use the base Arch installation images).

Definitely not hardware, I've had this a while now, and had 4 OS's on it, Void would have been the 5th, but it's the only one that has issues with it. After the hardware upgrades (upgraded the SSD from a 128 to 256), now running Fedora (reason I had tried Void, since I had to put a new OS on and I've seen a lot of mention of Void recently) 24. But I love trying new distro's and occassionally finding something that really impresses me (although very rare anymore, 10 years ago every other week there was a new distro that impressed me).

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Old 10-05-2016, 10:01 AM   #21
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Oh, my main distro's are Debian & Fedora. I'm a GIANT Debian fan. I've just recently taken a liking to Fedora since they quit the whole mega-package thing back in the days of F20 and earlier. I USED to be a huge fan of Arch also, but grew tired of it during the days of transition where the squirrels broke it every other day because they decided they wanted to go in a different direction. But I've decided to give it another chance, mostly because pacman is SUCH a nice package manager, and Antergos offers such an easy installer for it (the installation of Arch is just annoying anymore, I won't use the base Arch installation images).

Definitely not hardware, I've had this a while now, and had 4 OS's on it, Void would have been the 5th, but it's the only one that has issues with it. After the hardware upgrades (upgraded the SSD from a 128 to 256), now running Fedora (reason I had tried Void, since I had to put a new OS on and I've seen a lot of mention of Void recently) 24. But I love trying new distro's and occassionally finding something that really impresses me (although very rare anymore, 10 years ago every other week there was a new distro that impressed me).
well it has me confused. Because I am using an HP Eleitbook 8460p (slapped a different MB to get ati, and upgraded to an i7) got an hybrid 750 hdd, and a 128GB ssd, currently installed on ssd in the upgrade bay is my active Void Linux, I got Windows 10 on the hybrid (because its free, and I once in a blue moon use it for my iPod/itunes) and just installed Slackware on the other partition that had the old install of Void on it.

Arch is something I never installed because I could not get past that how they installed it, create a directory mount get on the net, I only use public wifi (its free and fast where I am at) so yeah Arch install prevented me from ever trying it out.

But I've tried many and find that most are just derivatives of Debian, so why bother using it? just use Debian. same for Slackware. Why use a knock off, when you can just customize the original to ones liking?

that is what I was doing looking for another different original then found Void.

never had a kernel Panic with it though. just grub2 updating and finding Windows 10 (again since its last kernel update) . so I use supergrub2 if I really need to get in to Windows. but now that I have Slackware lilo sees and added Windows 10 to its listings just not my Void Linux on the other hard drive. It's always something. but it gives one something to do as well .


it does boggle my mind why you're getting kernel panics what is your hardware you're using anyways, I'd love to drop Void a line in their forum as I do have an account and see what they say about it. hopefully get back to you on it.

this Slackware install seems to have a lot more installed already apps then 14.1 did. it even has Gparted already installed.

so far all I've installed was a ready made blender to get their latest release popped it into /opt and added the desktop in applications and its working after quick edit to tell it where its at in its desktop file.

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Old 10-05-2016, 10:25 AM   #22
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My hardware is a Lenovo Yoga 700:

Intel CoreM-6y30
8 GB DDR4 (soldered to board)
Intel 256 GB m.2 SATA 2280 SSD
Intel HD515 graphics
Intel 3165 Wireless-AC+BT 4.1
11.6" 1080P touchscreen
Don't know what accelerometer it uses as I've never attempted to make it work in any linux distro, since I don't use it in tablet mode. One day I may try, but I don't foresee it happening.

Has ran Debian Jessie, Debian Stretch, Fedora 23, Fedora 24, Arch, OpenSuse on it with no issues. In the space of 2 weeks, tried 2 different downloads on 2 different USB's of void, both kernel panic'd.

If you do mention it to them, I'd love to hear what they think. Also, mention people might be more inclined to bother posting if they allowed anonymous posting .

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Old 10-05-2016, 10:47 AM   #23
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My hardware is a Lenovo Yoga 700:

Intel CoreM-6y30
8 GB DDR4 (soldered to board)
Intel 256 GB m.2 SATA 2280 SSD
Intel HD515 graphics
Intel 3165 Wireless-AC+BT 4.1
11.6" 1080P touchscreen
Don't know what accelerometer it uses as I've never attempted to make it work in any linux distro, since I don't use it in tablet mode. One day I may try, but I don't foresee it happening.

Has ran Debian Jessie, Debian Stretch, Fedora 23, Fedora 24, Arch, OpenSuse on it with no issues. In the space of 2 weeks, tried 2 different downloads on 2 different USB's of void, both kernel panic'd.

If you do mention it to them, I'd love to hear what they think. Also, mention people might be more inclined to bother posting if they allowed anonymous posting .
I'll verbatim it (copy, paste this message into a post right now, and see if I get a return.)
if so, I'll post it in this thread.
 
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My hardware is a Lenovo Yoga 700:

Intel CoreM-6y30
8 GB DDR4 (soldered to board)
Intel 256 GB m.2 SATA 2280 SSD
Intel HD515 graphics
Intel 3165 Wireless-AC+BT 4.1
11.6" 1080P touchscreen
Don't know what accelerometer it uses as I've never attempted to make it work in any linux distro, since I don't use it in tablet mode. One day I may try, but I don't foresee it happening.

Has ran Debian Jessie, Debian Stretch, Fedora 23, Fedora 24, Arch, OpenSuse on it with no issues. In the space of 2 weeks, tried 2 different downloads on 2 different USB's of void, both kernel panic'd.

If you do mention it to them, I'd love to hear what they think. Also, mention people might be more inclined to bother posting if they allowed anonymous posting .
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Its panics, maybe just an issue with PEBKAC.
Without a real error description there is no other way to find out.
I don't feel like helping, thanks to ranting instead of making a useful bug report.
The complain about drivers for virtualboxs nic is just bullshit.
I'm just the messenger
 
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Ah, so they simply don't care about making their OS work. Good enough. I'll not bother trying again ever.

I also think the mentality of "didn't file a proper bug report (again, make anonymous posting, people will do these things, but require signing up to post bug reports...easier just to wash my hands of it), no desire to help" says all that needs to be said about this distro. Narcissistic brats who refuse to accept they may have issues in their system. AKA - AVOID, TOXIC community!!

is the dev for this project an ex Arch dev? Because I'll be honest, that's the responses I'd expect from Arch forums. "If you didn't collect 20 pages of logs, we can't help" "You're doing it wrong, it works on my development machine fine" "READ THE MANUAL". (Yes, I like a lot about Arch Linux, but their community is the most unfriendly, antagonostic linux community I've ever seen in my life).

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Ah, so they simply don't care about making their OS work. Good enough. I'll not bother trying again ever.

I also think the mentality of "didn't file a proper bug report (again, make anonymous posting, people will do these things, but require signing up to post bug reports...easier just to wash my hands of it), no desire to help" says all that needs to be said about this distro. Narcissistic brats who refuse to accept they may have issues in their system. AKA - AVOID, TOXIC community!!
Timothy, I'm sorry but the only person who comes across as a brat here is you. These people develop a completely original Linux distribution (not a fork of anything) and give it away for free. They've done a massive amount of work (and continue to do so). Meanwhile you're too lazy to post an actual bug report, and then complain in this completely entitled manner when a negative response comes back. Fixing bugs in software is not easy; how are they supposed to magically test and fix your problem? You're not even willing to communicate with them, and you're the guy with the particular hardware configuration that fails. You are flippant towards the work that others provide for free. Here's some highlights from the "bug report";

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I am posting this as a favor of a Linux user from LinuxQuestions, he does not want to join yet another forum (this one) just to post this problem. [...] this is amazing, I have NEVER used an OS that didn't have drivers for Virtualbox's NIC). IMO, Void linux has MAJOR issues, I can't remember the last time I used an OS that had such poor hardware support. [...] I had actually just downloaded it again last night to try AGAIN on my
Yoga, and no changes, kernel panics shortly after beginning boot. [...] If you do mention it to them, I'd love to hear what they think. Also, mention people might be more inclined to bother posting if they allowed anonymous posting.
Translation: This person is lazy, doesn't understand free software, doesn't care anyway, and carries on in an obnoxious and haughty manner. To put it bluntly, the main dev (who you can imagine does a lot) would have read that and thought "piss off". And that's most likely what happened. Even with the poor attitude to begin with (I mean, the emperor's "bug report" had to be proxied in, since he'd just love to hear what the galley slaves think ), a poster (masato) threw out some ideas, but also said this
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The level of arrogance and hostility makes one wonder if the guy really wants help or just wants to flame or troll.
So, if you're serious here, just think about what free software actually means (particularly non-commercial free software): It is developed by real people who donate time from their lives for the benefit of others. Show some respect, and if you want something fixed for free by people who know more than you do, then be prepared to be courteous and helpful. If you can't manage that, then I'm afraid you've located the source of the "toxicity" (hint, it's not in "The Void" ).

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Timothy, I'm sorry but the only person who comes across as a brat here is you. These people develop a completely original Linux distribution (not a fork of anything) and give it away for free. They've done a massive amount of work (and continue to do so). Meanwhile you're too lazy to post an actual bug report, and then complain in this completely entitled manner when a negative response comes back. Fixing bugs in software is not easy; how are they supposed to magically test and fix your problem? You're not even willing to communicate with them, and you're the guy with the particular hardware configuration that fails. You are flippant towards the work that others provide for free. Here's some highlights from the "bug report";



Translation: This person is lazy, doesn't understand free software, doesn't care anyway, and carries on in an obnoxious and haughty manner. To put it bluntly, the main dev (who you can imagine does a lot) would have read that and thought "piss off". And that's most likely what happened. Even with the poor attitude to begin with (I mean, the emperor's "bug report" had to be proxied in, since he'd just love to hear what the galley slaves think ), a poster (masato) threw out some ideas, but also said this

So, if you're serious here, just think about what free software actually means (particularly non-commercial free software): It is developed by real people who donate time from their lives for the benefit of others. Show some respect, and if you want something fixed for free by people who know more than you do, then be prepared to be courteous and helpful. If you can't manage that, then I'm afraid you've located the source of the "toxicity" (hint, it's not in "The Void" ).
The problem in that is that like I said, I don't care if it's fixed. I like trying out distro's. I tried it out, it didn't work with my hardware. They don't allow anonymous posting, so move on and try it again in a year or 2 when they have new versions. BWX offered to post as he's very much a fan of void linux, so why not allow him, maybe they've seen it before and know a boot parameter that needs to be passed to make it work.

Yes, I'm lazy, that's why as mentioned previously I don't use Slackware. I don't want to do a ton of systems management myself. I want to use it, and have it work. My enjoying trying other distro's isn't related to that, but I'm not willing to jump through hoops to make a distro work. If the community of a distro want to be so hateful to blow off a problem that was brought to them by someone trying to be an ambassador for their project (because lets admit, BWX could have just said "wow, that sucks, hopefully it works eventuall, but instead took his own time to try to find the answer to the issue, which is way going above and beyond), I just can't seem to bring myself to want to have anything to do with said community.
 
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I just can't seem to bring myself to want to have anything to do with said community.
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ok, so we all had a nice fit.
time to get back to the facts?
because there's actually 2 bits of real information in that thread.
 
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Void Linux is fantastically smooth. It runs more architectures than any binary distro I can find. That's because the main dev hails from NetBSD. So, it also sports a nice build system for source work. It has multiple contributors on github, if it is mainly solo heroics.

Ask questions sans login on Void IRC. The main dev hangs out there, not forums. Enter IRC with whatever handle you want, no signups required. There are web portals to use IRC if you want to stay in a browser.

Linus himself has problems lately with kernel panics and isn't prone to good manners or bedside care.

It's best to show you've attempted resolution or done homework before asking help anywhere. We've all had things fail us sometime or another.
 
  


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