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Old 05-21-2012, 07:50 PM   #16
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I never said that GTK2 is used by outdated software. What I think is simple (sounds funny): GTK2 is done. Get over it.
That's the greatest thing about OSS, it's never "done". Just because the GNOME team dumped it and all the people that were using it for OMG SHINY, that doesn't mean it is dead.

MATE, Firefox, Thunderbird, Tomboy, Banshee, Pidgin, GIMP, and many other mainline applications still build against it. Will they in the future? *shrug*

It is a respectable amount of work to migrate applications from GTK 2 to GTK 3, it's going to take a while to port them.

They do today though, a year after GNOME 2 "died".

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Future (and I mean future) applications will use GTK3. GIMP is aiming to it for GIMP 3 (the version after 2.10), some other apps are already in transition state and I see nothing bad in it.
Possibly, Mozilla has been working on it for a while now too. A few apps will even build against either.

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I personally think that none of the people that are complaining about the "new Gnome" mean really Gnome 3, they think about the mess that the Gnome developers name "Gnome Shell".
There is a lot of truth to that, but GNOME Shell is "GNOME 3" because that is what gives the first impression.

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They (the Gnome developers) simply forgot that sometimes it is better to improve what you already have than "inventing" something that your designers say is better.
I know from experience talking to some of them that they didn't forget. Some of them don't deserve the power they have been given because they don't understand what they are designing, others just don't care about their users.

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What Gnome 2 users wanted from the Gnome developers for the next version was an improvement. What they got would be called a total conversion in the gaming scene. Not Gnome related. In my eyes (and I don't use Gnome, I am just a spectator) epic fail. But worse, instead to learn of their mistakes (and may be just listen to their users) they just go ahead.
They are forging ahead ignoring those with more practical knowledge and experience telling them they are wrong (Linus for example). I've had conversations with one of their developers that believes a closed laptop lid will cause a machine to catch fire. Seriously..

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This is why I love open source. That was bad, but the developers don't (want to) see it, so some people take it up and try to make it better.

A whole bunch of distros, including Ubuntu and Mint, wouldn't exist if there wouldn't be a desire to make it better. Of course we could make the applications to use GTK2 forever. The question is: Why? Why don't we still use KDE 3? Or XFCE 4.2? Time goes on. Go with it. Or use twm, pure experience, no progression.
You can add mine to that list.

FYI - Trinity is a KDE 3 fork, MATE is a GNOME 2 fork, and XFCE 4.10 is still GTK2.

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Old 05-21-2012, 11:03 PM   #17
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Thanks for your reply to my previous post. I'll look further into that.

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MATE, Firefox, Thunderbird, Tomboy, Banshee, Pidgin, GIMP, and many other mainline applications still build against it. Will they in the future? *shrug*
I don't know about all the others in this list but MATE is working towards, at least they posted this on their website, GTK3 integration.
 
Old 05-22-2012, 07:16 AM   #18
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Thanks for your reply to my previous post. I'll look further into that.

I don't know about all the others in this list but MATE is working towards, at least they posted this on their website, GTK3 integration.
Their integration means side by side installation with GNOME 3.
 
  


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