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Old 04-28-2022, 05:12 PM   #1
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Linus T on Desktops


https://youtu.be/Pzl1B7nB9Kc

hmm...
 
Old 04-29-2022, 12:10 AM   #2
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hmm...
Ah, the telltale sign of the "critical youtube thinker".
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Oh, that old thing. Torvalds on DebConf 2014.
 
Old 04-29-2022, 02:46 AM   #3
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Ah, the telltale sign of the "critical youtube thinker".

Oh, that old thing. Torvalds on DebConf 2014.
Yes, cos some of what he said many years ago, still applies.
 
Old 04-29-2022, 03:27 AM   #4
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Linus T on Desktops

A few changes since then. We have Flatpak and AppImage now. And containers, etc.
 
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A few changes since then. We have Flatpak and AppImage now. And containers, etc.
Yes, making things more "complex" in the process, which is manageable by linux/IT professionals, but not by non IT people. Once we start talking to people like tax consultants, restaurant owners, garage owners, then they just want install and use. My tax consultant is very smart in his field. But I know him enough to speculate that given linux desktop, he will say "what is this rpm deb and flatpak? why cant I visit some_website and just download and install? And where is my tax software?"
 
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Since you brought it up, I'm a tax consultant and I use Slackware.

How are AppImages difficult? You download them and run them.
 
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Yes, making things more "complex" in the process, which is manageable by linux/IT professionals, but not by non IT people. Once we start talking to people like tax consultants, restaurant owners, garage owners, then they just want install and use. My tax consultant is very smart in his field. But I know him enough to speculate that given linux desktop, he will say "what is this rpm deb and flatpak? why cant I visit some_website and just download and install? And where is my tax software?"
what is this rpm deb and flatpak?
> Linux desktop problem.

why cant I visit some_website and just download and install?
> There are app centers in linux, way before android or iphones made them famous. But people have "mental muscle memory" that desktop/laptop means, visit website and download/install.
So, a habit problem of larger masses.

And where is my tax software?
> Software company problem.
 
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Tax software is in the cloud these days. It runs in your browser.
 
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Tax software is in the cloud these days. It runs in your browser.
Which country are you talking about?
 
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The problem with Linux is there are no applications for devices like a head unit in and automobile, radar detectors, and other devices in order to update them. There are not even alternative applications for these devices. There are applications or programs for these devices if you use Windows or Mac, but none at all for Linux even if you use Wine which never works for communicating with these devices. Until these issue fully resolved, there will never be the year of the Linux desktop.
 
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Tax software is in the cloud these days.
Does that mean you're really just a bot ? ....
 
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Since you brought it up, I'm a tax consultant and I use Slackware.

How are AppImages difficult? You download them and run them.
Again, which country? Do you think that the tax s/w of your country is applicable in other countries? Do you confirm that all tax software of all countries are available in AppImage format?
 
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Again, which country? Do you think that the tax s/w of your country is applicable in other countries? Do you confirm that all tax software of all countries are available in AppImage format?
Calm down bro. Geez. You said that Linux wasn't able to be used by a tax consultant... I'm just saying that you're wrong because I am, and I do.

To ease your curiosity I live in Australia. The company which provides the tax preparation software I use is British. There are three other "brands," all of which are American. All offer a cloud-based product for accountants. I'd be utterly astounded if these aren't available to accountants in any other "Westernised" country. We're usually a bit behind here... Technologically speaking.

FTR, I didn't say that tax software was available in AppImages... But I will say that I keep my own books in an accounting software package which is available as such... And it has localised customisations for many countries.

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Calm down bro. Geez. You said that Linux wasn't able to be used by a tax consultant... I'm just saying that you're wrong because I am, and I do.

To ease your curiosity I live in Australia. The company which provides the tax preparation software I use is British. There are three other "brands," all of which are American. All offer a cloud-based product for accountants. I'd be utterly astounded if these aren't available to accountants in any other "Westernised" country. We're usually a bit behind here... Technologically speaking.

FTR, I didn't say that tax software was available in AppImages... But I will say that I keep my own books in an accounting software package which is available as such... And it has localised customisations for many countries.

Apologies if the post sounded aggressive.
But people dont take a holistic view of the topic at hand. We all are happily living in our own silos.
Neither windows, nor linux or macos are specific to west countries. So yes, good for you, that your workflow is taken care by Linux tools.
But not for other countries.
Also, even if there is a linux version for my countries (yes, plural. multi countries tax), I cannot dictate what softwares both of my tax consultants use.

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Old 04-29-2022, 09:27 AM   #15
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Can you state in words what this thread is intended to be about, because I can't be arsed downloading and [re]watching an eight year old video to see what Linus might have said about "desktops", and then figuring out which bits of that you consider worth talking about.

From subsequent posts, I think I'm getting some idea, but I'm also uncertain which parts are relevant and which are tangential.

(Is the primary topic intended to be desktop computers, or desktop environments, or software repos, or packaging formats, or small business owners, or handling international taxes, or...?)

 
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