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Old 01-25-2009, 02:39 PM   #16
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thank the republicans for fucking us out of our good jobs
Give me a break you retard, CLINTON signed nafta in 94. CLINTON entered permanent free trade agreements with china. CLINTON sold parts for nuclear weapons to China. The democrats are in this as deep as the republicans. (And, and guess what, your precious new president has surrounded himself with the exact same card-carrying CFR globalists, and is owned by the same international bankers as Clinton and Bush and every president since Wilson). You're a sheep.


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Another equally naive opinion.

And, of course the rejoinder is this: Which is more American? A Toyota with parts from around the world that is assembled in Kentucky, or a Ford with parts from around the world that is assembled in Mexico?
But he was talking about the 1970's, when indeed japanese cars were made in japan and american cars were made in america (at least moreso than today). If average americans refused to buy japanese back then, our economy would've looked very different today.

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Old 01-25-2009, 03:57 PM   #17
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You're a sheep.
That was completely unnecessary.
 
Old 01-26-2009, 03:32 PM   #18
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Mechanistic computer hardware can no longer be manufactured in the United States.

However, with the rapid growth of biotech, bio-computing is something that is on the US manufacturing horizon.

In fact US Biotechnology companies are one the few industries where the United States still leads the way.

Consider if you will, that Biotech companies in the US own the patents on the seeds that are distributed to farmers world wide, now which would you rather own....a patent on a machine that will become obsolete or a patent on a seed that will be used for the next 20+ years.

Something to consider.
 
Old 01-26-2009, 08:27 PM   #19
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However, with the rapid growth of biotech, bio-computing is something that is on the US manufacturing horizon.

In fact US Biotechnology companies are one the few industries where the United States still leads the way.
And what happens when the pharma bubble bursts because no one in the US can afford healthcare any more?
 
Old 01-27-2009, 12:41 AM   #20
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I guess you're the expert, so you can explain it to everyone, Jim.
Well, yeah. I suppose I could.

I'd take the minor element of truth in the post of yours to which I responded, add in the minor element of truth in the other post that got a sharp response from me, mix well with a LOT of context and history, and then I'd explain it.

Two problems with that. First, it wouldn't be a post, it'd be a book. Second, explaining it to anyone who is sufficiently ideological to present the total crap that got my original sharp responses as fact is a total waste of time.
 
Old 01-27-2009, 12:47 AM   #21
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Give me a break you retard, CLINTON signed nafta in 94. CLINTON entered permanent free trade agreements with china. CLINTON sold parts for nuclear weapons to China. The democrats are in this as deep as the republicans. (And, and guess what, your precious new president has surrounded himself with the exact same card-carrying CFR globalists, and is owned by the same international bankers as Clinton and Bush and every president since Wilson). You're a sheep.
The Dems, the Reps, the capitalists, the socialists, the industrialists, the unionists, the globalists...and the consumers. Everyone has played a role.

And, yes. Obama - the "agent of change" won't be any different. What will change is how he tries to make the government bigger. But that changes with every administration anyway and the only constant is that the government keeps getting bigger.

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But he was talking about the 1970's, when indeed japanese cars were made in japan and american cars were made in america (at least moreso than today). If average americans refused to buy japanese back then, our economy would've looked very different today.
I don't get that from what he said. But to have asked the American consumer to avoid japanese products in the '70s would have been asking them to avoid higher quality products that were cheaper than domestic products.

To avoid such products is irrational. Which, of course, is why Japan made such inroads in the '70s and '80s.
 
Old 01-27-2009, 02:12 AM   #22
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And what happens when the pharma bubble bursts because no one in the US can afford healthcare any more?
I am not talking about drugs. I am talking about food. Monsanto is the sole source for over 90% of the commercial crop seeds world wide. The high yield and disease resistant seeds that they sell keep the world from suffering a chronic food shortages and famines.

You could argue that heritage seeds are better but they have lower yields and are not disease resistant so you either pay for a consistent crop or roll the dice on the harvest from heritage seeds.

In my opinion a crop failure makes a financial failure seem trivial.
 
Old 01-27-2009, 05:00 AM   #23
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I am not talking about drugs. I am talking about food. Monsanto is the sole source for over 90% of the commercial crop seeds world wide. The high yield and disease resistant seeds that they sell keep the world from suffering a chronic food shortages and famines.
Monsanto corn toxic to liver/kidney in mice.

So the plan is: a) destroy the environment and poison the earth until only GM seeds can yield enough crop, b) wait til everyone has cancer, c) sell us more drugs, d) expand the $50 trillion already entitled via medicare, and ultimately e) collapse the US economy so that we can all live like a bunch of Haitian? Where do I sign up?
 
Old 01-27-2009, 06:14 AM   #24
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Monsanto aka. as Frankencrops in some circles is in a precarious business.

They could go from huge profits to bankrupt in a couple of days if their genetically enhanced crops cause widespread damage.
I believe it will happen - not because they are stupid or neglegent but because there is nobody how can provide and plan for all eventualities that can happen with that kind of stuff.
Heck - we can't even write an operating system that works w/o any hickups and there we design part of the environment (the hardware).

What would make anybody think we can make things save in an environment that is in large parts unknown (the planet)- especially when huge profits are involved? All that counts in any business and any regulatory administration is the bottom line.
Anything that involves engeneering of any kind has 'unkown risks involved' written all over it.

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Old 01-27-2009, 11:40 AM   #25
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The Pandora's box that is GMO is already open and the contamination especially in Canada, Mexico and the US is wide spread. (Articles in Journals such as "Weed Science" going back as far as 1997, have documented the transfer of GM traits, such as "round up ready resistance", to "Volunteer" Weeds from corn & soybean crops, as an emerging trend.)

Where we go from here is anybody's guess but changes are taking place that can not be reversed.

However, we can take pride in the fact that it was made in America. We may have to begin genetically modifying ourselves to adapt to the environments that we have altered.
 
Old 02-03-2009, 05:29 AM   #26
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Monsanto is the sole source for over 90% of the commercial crop seeds world wide. The high yield and disease resistant seeds that they sell keep the world from suffering a chronic food shortages and famines.
[ ] You have been watching news at least once in your life.

The "first world" does NOT equal "the world".

Am I just not getting the irony in this post?
 
Old 02-01-2013, 09:35 PM   #27
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Actually, I've been wondering so far where to find these. So far I had no luck, though I have found some "made in USA" flash drives. Unfortunately, no carriers for Hard Drives have been found yet. If someone does find them, please tell. Perhaps in the four years this thread has been up, there might have been some entrepeneurs.

But all parts in other countries, but assembly in America, is better than having the assembly there, too, right?
Some computer assembly companies in USA:
Systemax
Lotus
Puget Systems
ZT Systems

I don't know if System 76 is assembled in USA or not, couldn't find any info.

EDIT: To add to the list, Apple will be creating a line of computers in the USA only. Don't know which ones yet, but it will most likely be the Mac Pro.


To the political and Food comments: Can't anything be asked without making it an ideological warfare? The poor OP was looking for answers to his QUESTION, not to have people fight over something that is completely off-topic and uninteresting, please use a different forum for that.

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Old 02-17-2013, 12:02 AM   #28
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Red face opinions\onions

http://www.teslamotors.com/ but where will we get all our materials from should we obliterate our own mountains+?
Education (not sh#!) pays for itself, why do they cut it!?.edu
Take away the competition of the world and some Americans will get even lazier plus will all have inferior products and or get ripped off. Borders kill and take away, defence till the end die like a friend.
Cultural enrichment.
I'd rather have my grandchildren or great grandchildren* buy Mars parts, not be dead!

So I'm guessing your sports team was better simply because you were born in that town (making 凸(‿)<everybody else a possible mindset)?

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