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Old 04-10-2016, 02:24 PM   #16
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You are just being paranoid methinks, tin foil hat brigade member I guess.

Hey all browsers do data collection of some kind, even firefox

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Old 04-10-2016, 05:16 PM   #17
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You are just being paranoid methinks, tin foil hat brigade member I guess.

Hey all browsers do data collection of some kind, even firefox
And they love you over at bing, google, et al.


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'Vivaldi' from your computer wants to connect to
pa-in-f239.1e100.net [74.125.25.239], port 443

'Vivaldi' from your computer wants to send UDP datagram to nuq04s29-in-f4.1e100.net [216.58.192.4], port 443

The above are two of at least ten URLs to which vivaldi will try to make a connection.
The last time I fired it up vivaldi it wanted to go to Yandex.
It appears that you have to let it send whatever it is transmitting to at least one organization vivaldi has a contract with, see the quoted section of post #8 above. If you stop it from making that first connection you are not allowed to make any connections.
I've NOT seen this behavior in Firefox or SeaMonkey.

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Old 04-10-2016, 09:18 PM   #18
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have several more settings, but the interface is bone ugly and I find it hard on the eyes (as in tiring). I don't care for "speed dial" so i don't use it. I don't like the bookmarks taking up space on the side of the screen.
I agree that the interface is pretty bare bones at this point. One of the things I particularly liked about classic Opera was its "skinability."

As for speed dial and the panel on the side, those are two features I particularly liked about Opera. In addition to the bookmarks, I made heavy use of the "Notes" function. I've found bpth a speed dial plugin and a Notes plugin for Seamonkey that works for me, but it's a shadow of the Notes function that came with the old Opera.

Choice is good.

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Old 04-10-2016, 09:48 PM   #19
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And they love you over at bing, google, et al.





The above are two of at least ten URLs which vivaldi will try to make a connection.
The last time I fired it up vivaldi it wanted to go to Yandex.
It appears that you have to let it send whatever it is transmitting to at least one organization vivaldi has a contract with, see the quoted section of one of post #8 above. If you stop it from
making that first connection you are not allowed to make any connections.
I've NOT seen this behavior in Firefox or SeaMonkey.
Yet Mozilla is still made of sellouts too, after all they want to cater only to windows users once the NPAPI is killed off later this year.

Firefox needs outside plugins to do things like play flash content and online videos and they have nothing to fill in the gap created by this move to get away from plugins they have absolutely nothing lined up for Linux users considering Netflix and DRM HTML5 nor do they have anything lined up to replace Flash except for shumway which has no DRM flash support so basically the only thing it's good for is watching the occasional YouTube video but if you use services like Netflix Hulu Amazon Prime and Google play it will be next to useless. But if you're a Windows user then you will have access to this type of thing because like any other web browser out there Microsoft Windows comes first and like anything else Firefox has sold out to the devil not giving a crap about Linux fans and crippling everything for the Linux user all favoring Microsoft Windows. Mozilla is no better than Chrome in fact they are worse as they go underneath the false pretense standing up for open source and freedom.
Say what you will about chrome but it serves a purpose Chrome already had built in alternatives to existing plugins and has many things in place to replace plugins. But Mozilla doesn't have this and did not come up with any solution they have nothing and will continue to do so basically Mozilla Firefox might as well be a old obsolete piece of crap browser like Internet Explorer

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Old 04-10-2016, 11:30 PM   #20
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....Say what you will about chrome but it serves a purpose Chrome already had built in alternatives to existing plugins and has many things in place to replace plugins. But Mozilla doesn't have this and did not come up with any solution they have nothing and will continue to do so basically Mozilla Firefox might as well be a old obsolete piece of crap browser like Internet Explorer

Sadly, you don't have the first clue... as to how google has managed that. Look at what google has done, a la mickeysoft, as in spread money around to get other software companies to funnel them business, so to speak.

I booted up my windows-Xp3 partition early this morning to upgrade Adobe Flash. Once I reached the download page for Flash on Adobe's website (and I doubled checked I was in the right place) I was presented with a download button. Next to it in smaller print was a box. In the box with the check marks already in place, was the offer to, one, download google chrome, and, two, make it my default browser. You have to uncheck the boxes or you will get google chrome along with the latest flashplayer.
Now you know adobe isn't doing this out of the kindness of their heart.
It confirms what I've been saying since it happened, and that is, google paid adobe to stop making new versions of flash for Linux (but they do upgrade it every month for security purpose) yet they still make new versions of flash for google chrome, which is Linux based, and windows.
Follow the money.
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Old 04-10-2016, 11:37 PM   #21
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Well even so adobe never really liked linux anyhow, they didnt want to support it half the time
 
Old 04-11-2016, 01:18 AM   #22
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Not being a coder, I couldn't analyze source code in any event, but I do trust the judgement of the open source community.
my sentiments exactly.


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The founder of the Vivaldi project was the founder of Opera and, while he was at the helm of Opera, he and his project compiled a record of honesty and integrity.... I am consequently quite willing to give Vivaldi a spin based on the track record of its founder.
i hear you.


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As an aside, if I refused to use closed-source software, I'd be doing my US income taxes the old-fashioned way, with a pencil and paper and (gasp) arithmetic.
i guess there's there's no useable/fitting your needs linux open source tax program available?
that's why i originally wrote that i see no need to use a closed source project if there are so many good open source projects available.

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However, I will not use a browser that won't let me turn off the "call home" feature. When it didn't work when I wouldn't let it send whatever it wanted to send to Yandex, it was time for, removepkg vivaldi*.
this kinda proves my original comment.


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You are just being paranoid methinks, tin foil hat brigade member I guess.
now that remark was pointless.


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Hey all browsers do data collection of some kind, even firefox
yes, we got quite used to all major browsers doing this.
but you can swich it off from firefox' preferences.
makes all the difference.
 
Old 04-11-2016, 09:55 AM   #23
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Well even so adobe never really liked linux anyhow, they didnt want to support it half the time
I would refer you to what I've said before about following the money.
The link below is just one example of how it is done by companies such as mickeysoft who have absolutely no ethics of any kind. See message number 12.

https://www.linuxquestions.org/quest...3/#post5490900
 
  


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