Well, then how can anyone argue that upgrading to vista and using it on such a system will be beneficial?

And Fedora Core also is not synonymous with every Linux distribution.
Members of the VectorLinux dev team have been working on and fine tuning an XGL + Berryl combo for those who like eye-candy.
And yes, it will run smoothly on a 32mb agp card and a system with 256mb of ram (and using xfce 4.4 as the desktop environment): http://img471.imageshack.us/my.php?i...eryl3d2aq8.png

XFCE is much lighter than either kde or gnome, and thus frees up lots of ram that can be used by Berryl and XGL, without depleting all the system resources.
So users with more modest systems can still use todays stunning eye-candy without having to wait 5 minutes for the windows to draw and for the browser to open....neither having to go into an "upgrade frenzy" .


Well, I'm a VectorLinux fanboy so here goes:
VL is designed really for older hardware, and will run smoothly on your old PII 300mhz with 64mb of ram without breaking into a sweat. And if that doesn't cut it, then you can make your own customizations as I mentioned earlier on, in order to increase performance.
But on the other hand, it also has SMP compiled into the kernel by default (so also allowing efficient handling of multi-core processors) , and simply flies on newer hardware, regardless of the extras you put on it. And it doesn't have crap included in it that is designed to restrict users and weigh down on the system such as the DRM iron ball-and-chain.

So what you are literally saying is that ALL current windows users must just chuck out their computers, because if Vista will only work efficient and fast on newer hardware, they are screwed aren't they?

EDIT:
On the bright side of things, I'm going to start collecting computers that have been abandoned on curbs, and help myself to some free hardware, all thanks to vista

>> "On the bright side of things, I'm going to start collecting computers that have been abandoned on curbs, and help myself to some free hardware, all thanks to vista ..."

you better dont spoil my economy and stay far far away from me ... ^_^


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@Grife: Not everyone's got the latest and greatest to be able to handle Vista 100% and leave extra power for other stuff, to experience the extra ressource management.

that's directx 9, thank you very much.
the only directx 10 cards are geforce 8800s (could be wrong here but I'm pretty sure) anyway, the 8800s are HUGE, nearly full size cards. they won't fit in just about half the cases on the market.

Originally posted by grife:
I was generalising. Most consumers are unlikely to know of the price difference, but I suggest they wouldn't be happy about it.

You and I have no idea how much money our governments pay in M$ licences for schools and government offices but I suggest that it is probably a small fortune. It therefore is very much government (and our) business. As a tax payer, I don't want to be lining any company's pockets more than necessary.

If your not bothered about the price you pay for a product, even where the price is unreasonably inflated, maybe that says something about you.

a lot of politicians, at least in the US have this thing about using our money to boost certain industries within the country, and some of the more ignorant ones wouldn't consider switching their offices to linux simply because it isn't a united states product, regardless of the fact that they aren't paying a foreign company for it.
and I believe the money the governments pay to microsoft for their products qualifies as large fortune.

Originally posted by DaWallace:
My mistake for quoting a stupid magazine. They even got the minimum processor wrong. Here are the official minimum system requirements from MS:

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/pro...uirements.mspx

If a politician wants to feel comfortable in "buying American", then what's wrong with RedHat, Novell, etc.?

And, what is the foreign content of his/her Ford, Chevy etc.?

AND, what is the foreign content of MS Windows?

Sure. But frankly that's their problem. Most of the consumers are barely aware of the alternatives too, at least in Europe. I'm not sure about knowing Apple either, at least in Sweden and Finland they have zero commercials in magazines and TV (thankfully, Mac vs. PC commercials suck. whose master idea was those anyway?)

Yup, now that's our problem. As I work as MS techie I can't help but wonder why they are using Windowses anyway. Not only the licencing fees, but the fact that genuine MS premium tech support with one hours response time is quite astronomically priced too for +100 licence enviroments. I'd think that hiring 1 or 2 linux specialists for fulltime 5 minute response time would be much cheaper.
It all bows down to short-term costs. Changing governmental IT-structures is not easy, quick nor cheap. PSA Group recently announced that it will switch 2000 servers and 30000 desktops to use Linux. PSA is a corporation and can do so, if government would do so and switch to Linux paying one-time fee of change of 1 billion we could surely hear socialists whining how it should be invested in health care and cancer children (think of the poor lil' kids, vote us *sob*) or whoever is in opposite.. Democratic governments rarely function for long-term benefits.

Not on private sector. I'm not buying it, I'm not interested in it and my life doesn't depend on it. If someone is stupid enough to buy a inflated (and bloated) Vista, I'm not going to rally with "Switch!" or "Linux = Freedom" banners singing that Stallmans funny song around the poor devil. I'm losing nothing for individuals silly decision and government gets its taxes. Happy ending.

Would an organisation be able to assemble their own distro from like LFS and use it internally like Gubuntu, easier than just going MS? I was just curious on what you all think. IMHO, it seems better to do that, and keep a group of techies around who worked on it. You don't need to pay another company, and those techs you hired are being put to good use.

(BTW, No one goes Apple. I have yet to see lots of big companies use it. And if they do, they've been using it for a looong time, so they're used to it, and have economic benifits for continued use.)

The first time and the only time I touch Vista is last year installing it on my server(IntelSE7221BA-1 board/P4 3.8GHz/4G Mem/), something very interesting, just run 30 minutes, Vista crashed with blue screen.

Every Linux distro works very well in the server. I'm sure the hardware is powerful and reliable.

-Phillip

For the record, I'll be keeping my distance from vista in the same way healthy people stay far away from leppers.
And I'll lug my laptop arround with me all the time if I have to....

Windows Vista is still Windows,and we all know what does this mean...

@Grife:
While everything you say on this thread sounds reasonable, it kind of reflects the commonly perceived Microsoft attitude to its users, potential users and critics alike. Telling people to "get over it", that you're not bothered, not interested etc., seems to sum up the M$ ethic beautifully.