Some LQ members might like this article:

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/th...rticle/2604058

Some LQ members might like this article:

https://fee.org/articles/when-studen...eid=271710eed7

Some LQ members might like this article; tase his ass!!

http://nypost.com/2016/10/13/tase-hi...uly-defendant/

Only two words: Semper Fi!

Two good articles. I have always believed that freedom is indivisible. You cannot have freedom for some people and not for others because there is no more reason for supporting the one than the other. As a Christian, I don't agree with fellow-Christians who regard gay sex as intrinsically immoral, but they have as much right to believe that as I have to believe the contrary, as long as they express themselves with basic civility.

The problem is that it's not only "liberal" (read illiberal) politicians who want to shut down debate. It's the Twitter mob and the students who go ballistic when anyone expresses a view that differs in any way from their own. It's student unions, by and large, who "no-platform" speakers that they disapprove of, not the university dons.

Hi Hazel...

But is that what God teaches us through His Word?

Regards...

Bah. Another thread bites the dust.

I started the first article and got this far.

Trump's threats to "lock her up" are well-documented and oft repeated.

When you can document that Hillary Clinton has promised to "punish dissenters" from at least three reasonably unbiased sources (e. g. NOT, for example, Infowars or anything.examiner.com), with citations from an original source (that is, something Hillary Clinton said or wrote), I might keep reading.

Otherwise, I'm calling shenanigans.

Aardvark, every view that any Christian has ever held has been justified by God's Word. Look at any difference whatever between Christians (gay sex, infant baptism, bishops, trans-substantiation, whatever) and you will find people on both sides quoting the Bible to justify their view of it. That's why Catholics say the ultimate authority should be the Pope and not the Bible. The Bible, they say. is a book and books have to be interpreted and people can always differ in their interpretation.

I don't hold with the Catholic view of this. I think that if God gave us a book and not a pope, the inevitability of differences in interpretation must be part of His plan. If there could be no dispute about such matters, how would anyone ever know for certain whether they were really following the authority of God's Word or just going along with the majority?

The passage to which you link speaks of men who have "left the natural use of women". These men are clearly not gay because to gay men, the "use of women" is not natural (that's what we mean by calling them gay) and most of them have never left it because they've never done it in the first place! Paul is writing about pederasty, the practice (widespread in the classical world) of straight men using young boys as substitute women. He points out quite rightly that this practice is closely integrated with the idolatrous Graeco-Roman religion and that it leads to a general deadening of the conscience to all kinds of other sins. Nothing in this passage has any relevance to the lives or behaviour of gay Christians.

But that's my take on it and the point I was making is that you are just as entitled to your opinion and to your interpretation of God's Word as I am to mine. Anyone who wants to know more about my opinions on free speech, especially in the context of homophobia, can go here.

Hi...

In all honesty (and no offense,) if your position were true, God would not be delivering folks from homosexuality today. That Christians or those who are unbelievers can practice homosexuality without committing sin is a satanic deception. Please see the articles and video below to see examples of what I mean...

http://www1.cbn.com/video/one-man-fi...m-through-love

http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2007/d.../?mobile=false

http://www1.cbn.com/700club/tony-spe...being-down-low

Also, this is not just a Catholic viewpoint, I belong to a Pentecostal Church (a Protestant denomination) here where I live.

Regards...

I looked at the first article. The author lost me on naming the enemy propaganda (who originated that anyway). I know what the name he was thinking of and it wasn't Salafi Jihadism (who the US is aligned with in Syria). Trump and Clinton are cattle calling their respective sheep that were trained by the corporate media to be at each others throats and far away from the machinery of power.

Lawrence Wilkerson (Secretary of State Colin Powell's former chief of staff) says that the US is an Empire and we are witnessing its demise: https://youtu.be/JRM07KcQKuE

Its too late. Former CIA Consultant Chalmers Johnson told Americans to have an escape route for when the Empire goes down: https://youtu.be/sQi4-97GXrI?t=55m55s

Stop there. Calling a group of people 'immoral', 'sinners', etc., for their sexual orientation is plain wrong. Since you're quoting the 'bible', what did JESUS HIMSELF say about it?? That's right...absolutely NOTHING. Further, people such as yourself love to trowel out bible verses and say "SEE?" for such things...yet you pick and choose, don't you? Do you trim the hair at your temples? Have a beard? Eat crab/shrimp/shellfish?? All of THOSE things are similar 'abominations', but I'm sure you somehow justify them.

And the only logical argument to such things about it being a 'choice' is a simple question to you. When did someone sit you down and TEACH YOU to be heterosexual? TELL YOU to like girls? They didn't for you, nor do they for anyone else...it just happens. It isn't a 'choice' anymore than you can choose to be taller/shorter, or any other physical characteristic.

My brother is gay...he had no say in the matter, and I know for fact he is a good, honorable decent, moral person. He goes to church and believes, and how DARE YOU even imply that you are somehow 'better' and he's a sinner, you hypocrite. People like you are the reason he has problems in his life. What have you done with your life to even BEGIN to judge people, and tell them they're somehow 'broken'?
You mean 'brainwashing' or forcing them to accept something they're not, because you guilt/pressure them??? Such things are done commonly...see many prisoners of war who are beaten/tortured/drugged/lied to, and they'll say and do pretty much ANYTHING. Your 'evidence' is right there.
You're right, it's not just Catholic...anyone can be a bigoted, ill-informed jackass.

Don't worry, DougG...ardvark71 only does it for 'our own good', remember??? He can say what he likes, and asking him to stop this crap is somehow 'wrong'...see his other threads.

Actually most of the Christian groups that have tried in the past to "cure" gay people have folded up now. The best known is probably
Exodus which has publicly apologised for all the damage it did to gay Christians. So don't be too bitter, TBone.

I have a couple of married gay friends who worship in an Anglican church in Watford. One is the sacristan there and the other sings in the choir. You can't get more respectable!

Some of you might also be interested in looking at a group I belong to called Accepting Evangelicals.

And for every group who says sorry, there's a busload of hypocrites like aardvark71. Sorry, but groups are made of individuals...
Agreed...but 'real' Christians like ardvard71 will always be there to say how sinful/wrong things are, if they don't agree. His 'forgiving ' extends to putting me on ignore here, and advising others too as well. Quite typical.

Good on you. Most people leave out the part were Jesus says to "sin no more." He obviously knows that humans are incapable of leading a life free from 'sin' but we are commanded to do so as much as possible. Homosexual behavior is a sin and there is NO defense for such behavior in the Bible. IMB, we are all 'sinners' and must depend on the grace and forgiveness of God for salvation.