The Faith & Religion mega Thread

If you consider a fairy tale the widely used dictionary?

Whereas reality's make-believes:

po·ten·tial /pəˈten(t)SHəl/ adjective adjective:*potential having or showing the capacity to become or develop into something in the future. "a two-pronged campaign to woo potential customers" synonymsossible,*likely,*prospective,*future,*probable,*budding,*in the making;*More latent,*embryonic,*developing,*dormant,*inherent,*unrealized,*undeveloped "a potential source of conflict" noun noun:*potential; plural noun:*potentials 1. latent qualities or abilities that may be developed and lead to future success or usefulness. "a young broadcaster with great potential" synonymsossibilities,*potentiality,*prospects;*More promise,*capability,*capacity,*ability,*power; aptitude,*talent,*flair; informalwhat it takes "the economic potential of the area" the possibility of something happening or of someone doing something in the future. "pesticides with the potential to cause cancer" 2. PHYSICS the quantity determining the energy of mass in a gravitational field or of charge in an electric field. Origin late Middle English: from late Latin*potentialis, from*potentia*‘power’, from*potent-*‘being able’ (see*potent1). The noun dates from the early 19th century.

...again make believe, because we make it up as we go. Words change over time like languages, reality does not.

Maybe someday you'll talk to the dead or float something with your mind, just keep trying or you could grow up and think for yourself not for your fairy tales or helping rip people off?

Originally Posted by jamison20000e {...}Maybe someday you'll talk to the dead or float something with your mind, just keep trying or you could grow up and think for yourself not for your fairy tales or helping rip people off?

Just because i am clueless and limited not mean i am stupid. Penn & Teller - Talking to dead episode(from multiple) already debunked that more or less. And the funny thing is..similar cold(or hot)(either way it is cheating) reading is how this holy book God|Devil would operate. Spy on people then one day claim that knows stuff. True Deity would know without testing and spying.

Space and time go on forever but fairy tales change and evolve.
By the way fairies are half alien‽

Would creators really just leave the blueprints lying around; why do you think we can look up and see stars and planets, all like organisms at different stages‽

Originally Posted by jamison20000e {...}By the way fairies are half alien‽

Originally Posted by jamison20000e Would creators really just leave the blueprints lying around; why do you think we can look up and see stars and planets, all like organisms at different stages‽

You talk in codes that maybe are real but if stars and planets are blueprint(s) for creation then the ability to understand it is missing.

First quote: don't misunderstand my sarcasm.

Just look up, planets are at different stages just like ours.

Originally Posted by jamison20000e Just a hunch, not that I trust anyone on the internet as I am just a 12 year old girl's artificial intelligence program...

It is easy to imagine Artificial Intelligence created by humans yet when nonhumans could create AI that we call human brain all are sceptical. Hypocrisy

Originally Posted by Arcane It is easy to imagine Artificial Intelligence created by humans yet when nonhumans could create AI that we call human brain all are sceptical. Hypocrisy

It is inaccurate to refer to that as "hypocrisy" since they are not the same. Humans and AI now actually are known to exist. There is no evidence yet that any "non humans" of similar intellectual nature exist. There isn't even yet any evidence that any lifeforms exist not based on DNA yet we cannot communicate beyond the most rudimentary fashion with any of our "brethren". Also, none of them have created AI.... again...yet, but real is real and that involves both Space and Time, or more accurately in light of modern understanding, SpaceTime. Furthermore some things are demonstrably unreal in those terms. Maybe Unicorns could actually fly on some planet with sufficient atmospheric density and low enough gravity, but never on Planet Earth unless some radical changes occur to mass, gravity, and atmospheric conditions.

The Laws of Physics work exceedingly well everywhere except at Singularities, and there we just don't yet know enough.

Yes.

Originally Posted by Arcane It is easy to imagine Artificial Intelligence created by humans yet when nonhumans could create AI that we call human brain all are sceptical. Hypocrisy

Human brains have evolved, if you don't want to accept biologically then try and deny psychologically!

Do we still (on average) sacrifice virgins to moon and sun "gods‽" Of course not, same reason why your religion isn't allowed in public schools!!!

The devil is not in the details, it's in your fairy tales,,, you create evil by perpetuating them!

turtles all the way down

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtles_all_the_way_down

T T T T what begins with T, ten tired turtles in a tuttle tuttle tree

@enorbet
You ignore context. My point was creation of computers and robotics are by outcome similar to creation to humans. Most stuff we achieve is just copied from nature.

Originally Posted by jamison20000e Yes.Human brains have evolved, if you don't want to accept biologically then try and deny psychologically! Do we still (on average) sacrifice virgins to moon and sun "gods‽" Of course not, same reason why your religion isn't allowed in public schools!!!

Even artificial intelligence learns by trial and error. It does not negate theory about human creation either by aliens or other source.

Any kind of sacrifice is lame.

Originally Posted by jamison20000e The devil is not in the details, it's in your fairy tales,,, you create evil by perpetuating them!

Irony. God does not exist yet Devil does?

What did you skip over the words not or fairy tales‽ The devil is you religious fairytale worshipping types for insisting "gods" exist.

Some theories make sense and become facts like evolution other, theories like multiverses for example are silly... we could supposedly be everywhere, doing everything so you and I are somewhere, in some timeline shooting a baby in the head, theoretically‽‽‽

Religion and its fairy tales atr not theoretically for exploitation, money power and suckers!!!

Originally Posted by Arcane @enorbet You ignore context. My point was creation of computers and robotics are by outcome similar to creation to humans. Most stuff we achieve is just copied from nature.

I'm not ignoring context. I just don't buy yours. There is no reason to assume any causal similarity, though I fully agree that we copy nature, including copying ourselves. There is literally zero evidence we were created by some higher being and what's more it is entirely possible, even quite likely, that AI will catch up and then exceed human intelligence. If it turns out to be true that some higher consciousness willfully created humans, there is also zero evidence we could ever catch up let alone exceed our creator(s). Some wise people even ponder whether or not it was a near certainty that given intelligence and reason, AI would be created and ultimately be either incorporated into a kind of bionic humans or complete absorption of organic forms, possibly eliminating organics altogether in time, not likely in The Terminator scenario but by choice. This does not at all imply that how we came about bears any similarity at all.

Originally Posted by Arcane Even artificial intelligence learns by trial and error. It does not negate theory about human creation either by aliens or other source.

See... here is the disconnect. Routinely considering aliens as some active force anywhere, let alone here on Earth, is akin to considering that one "just might one day fall up instead of down" because based on what we know for a fact, the likelihood is extremely slim. It is so unlikely as to be worthless to even consider until something truly major changes, and that itself is also highly unlikely. The facts are that while alien life is quite likely, intelligent alien life has to be far more rare. Because the Universe is so vast that by no means rules out some may exist somewhere, some time, but traveling those unimaginably vast distances to get here, a tiny blue dot in one of a 100 billion systems just in our own Galaxy..... well you begin to grasp the incredible odds just for the numbers but when you add what it takes to travel such distances those odds become so small as to be insignificant and silly.

I get it that you enjoy flights of fancy and there's nothing intrinsically wrong in that but it most definitely will remain fancy and fantasy for at the very least a very long time if not forever. Fantasy will not get you to truth. Trying to apply reason to support fantasy or faith is a fool's errand. It's oil and water, cousin.

In the case of the above quote, creation is not a theory in the scientific sense. It is myth. So of course pondering the nature of AI does not negate capital "C" Creation, since Creation is not known to exist in the first place. It's like saying "AI doesn't negate Unicorns". AI doesn't need to because AI exists but Unicorns do not. There is zero correlation.

Originally Posted by enorbet In the case of the above quote, creation is not a theory in the scientific sense. It is myth. So of course pondering the nature of AI does not negate capital "C" Creation, since Creation is not known to exist in the first place.

The reason that creation is not and never will be a scientific theory is that science has to assume the brute reality of the existing universe before it can even get started. It can study the earlier history of that universe, but it can't speculate on why and how the universe exists. That is a task for philosophers and theologians.