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What's the use of an idea if you can't express or share or debate it?
It’s really very simple - decision makers have to weigh up the interests of different groups – they don’t see any utility in an ideology which has been shown to be a significant contributory factor in the violence and some cases murder of immigrant communities in Germany over the last 30 years..
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There's only one reason, and it trumps anything else--because every individual has the right to express any belief he wishes so long as he does so in a peaceful manner.
This is foolish in the extreme – certain things are prohibited in a public setting in most countries due to the effects that those ideas would have on the wider community, in particular, susceptible groups that might act on those ideas. Your thinking seems to be so skewed that you can’t even recognize a link between the transmission of certain ideas in a public setting and the acting out of those ideas by other groups.
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It's not a question of pragmatics, or populism, or truth-seeking. It's a question of moral right vs. wrong.
Wrong – it is a question of pragmatics – society is all about weighing the interests of different groups and when an ideology has been repeatedly shown to be a significant contributory factor in the violence and some cases murder of certain groups, most see the social benefit in prohibiting the public expression of that ideology.
Or to put it bluntly:
Expressing NationalSocialism publicly can be counted as a crime for the sole reason , it's an attempt at setting up other people to commit murder. (Dunno the english judicial phrase for that).
This particular ideology has at it's base the propagation of eradicating all non-arian members of mankind....
In plain english ; that's actively calling for genocide.
A question, can I as a Muslim call on my brothers in Islam to take up arms against the citizens of the country we live in, because it is an western nation?
I can tell you now there will be an public outcry and I would probably get arrested. And for good reason!
So no, you can't say any thing you damn well please especially if they are fascist ideas, because you are provoking violance.
Shatoor ; Don't get Fascism and National Socialism mixed up.
I know , it' common practise , but I feel obliged to point out to everyone , making that mistake , that Fascism has NO racial doctrine. That's what sets it apart from National Socialism. (It's still despicable , though.)
how do u feel when trolls come in and peacefully write what they have to say?
do u think the moderators are prohibiting freedom by regulating what people post and enforcing the site rules?
hey they only ideas, so why should it matter
Originally posted by Gill Bates how do u feel when trolls come in and peacefully write what they have to say?
do u think the moderators are prohibiting freedom by regulating what people post and enforcing the site rules?
hey they only ideas, so why should it matter
A website message board is private property, and the owners have every right to determine what is and is not said on their property. But they're not getting arrested for it, are they?
You're only trying to weasel yourself out of it with suggesting this is somehow different.
Let's face it ; being "censored" by a moderator on a forum or getting sentenced to prison by the judicial powers of a country is only a matter of scale : both are punishments for transgressing the law.
On a forum , the mods and Admins fullfill exactly the same function as the "Strong Arm Of The Law" and the gouvernment of a country respectively.
One could make the statement , that a country is the home of aforementioned democratically chosen gouvernment , and thus they make the rules.
Wanna change that? Fine. But play it by the residing rules. No-one likes cheaters.
If you want to make sure , everyone has the right shoot his bloody mouth without having to face the consequences , then run for gouvernment in that country. Then you can change the law. (But be prepared to get your sorry ass creamed by the international community.....)
I've been a mod on several other forums , some upholding a for more "hands-off-policy" than here , and can tell you this one thing ; Were you a member there , you'd already have had the first "two strikes" on your plate.....
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friggin' troll.....
Last edited by Megamieuwsel; 10-20-2003 at 02:49 PM.
When are they going to realize that there is no valid reason for punishing people for what they think or expressing those thoughts in a nonviolet manner?
they might end up acting. That's why it's a crime to issue death threats to anyone, even in the states. When an opinion equates to a threat, keep it for yourself if you want to avoid prosecution.
Oh, it my free political opinion that all Kurts should be made slaves porting all best apps to linux and being fully responsible for the infringments.
At least, I know one Kurt who won't object with me expressing my opinions !
Originally posted by Megamieuwsel
[B]You're only trying to weasel yourself out of it with suggesting this is somehow different.
Let's face it ; being "censored" by a moderator on a forum or getting sentenced to prison by the judicial powers of a country is only a matter of scale : both are punishments for transgressing the law.
No, it's not. Deciding what I will and will not allow on my private property is vastly different from telling someone else what he can do on his.
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I've been a mod on several other forums , some upholding a for more "hands-off-policy" than here , and can tell you this one thing ; Were you a member there , you'd already have had the first "two strikes" on your plate.....
No, it's not. Deciding what I will and will not allow on my private property is vastly different from telling someone else what he can do on his.
This is the final prove YOU CAN'T READ.
The guy arrested . was acting in public, out on the street!
That's state-property , in case you failed to notice.
I know , the USA has a very bad reputation for its educational system , but you appear to be a parody to even that.
Originally posted by Megamieuwsel This is the final prove YOU CAN'T READ.
The guy arrested . was acting in public, out on the street!
That's state-property , in case you failed to notice.
I know , the USA has a very bad reputation for its educational system , but you appear to be a parody to even that.
Just givin the guy a bit of his own medicine.....
What's considered "rude" differs greatly between different societies.
I'm not saying , I wasn't , but where I live , it's considered extremely bad taste if one keeps hammering on an argument with the blatant use of sophisms and thereby labeling the others as "wrong".
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