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Old 11-26-2016, 01:46 PM   #1
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Some Things To Think About!!


This article gave me some things to think about!!

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Old 11-26-2016, 05:05 PM   #2
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Wow. A website that seems to publish rants. Huh.
 
Old 11-26-2016, 06:51 PM   #3
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Generally, the best thing to do with such pieces of literature is to zoom fairly-quickly to the last few paragraphs, to see where the thing is actually going. The first few paragraphs are generally engineered to "get everybody on board," before the piece finally settles down to whatever is its actual business. Read the first two paragraphs, then the last two, and from this decide whether or not the rest of it is (to you ...) worth reading.
 
Old 11-26-2016, 08:35 PM   #4
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Progressives? World’s Smallest Political Quiz. Answer: Agree to all 10
 
Old 11-26-2016, 10:21 PM   #5
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Sorry but I just had to add a 'snarky' remark/comment to all of the questions on that list so shoot me:

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Government should not censor speech, press, media, or internet.
The mainstream media is trying other tactics by discrediting anything not mainstream - i.e. if you get your news/info from a youtuber or facebook, or anything not controlled by corporations, it is fake. I wonder when the US gov. will start to pressure youtube and others to crack down er.. I mean, protect us from all the fake news.

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Military service should be voluntary. There should be no draft.
Military service should also not be what is now essentially a mercenary force to take down anyone who dares disagree with US policies.

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There should be no laws regarding sex for consenting adults.
Can't argue with that, not really my problem/business what two grown adults down in the privacy of their own place. Does not affect me in any way.

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Repeal laws prohibiting adult possession and use of drugs.
Agreed, but it is not going to happen. Privately run prisons is too profitable and it would also cut into big-pharma's profits of keeping the populace doped up on their shit instead. Also, war on drugs is too profitable.

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There should be no National ID card.
Yea, I already got an id card from the DMV and I have a passport, why do I need a 'national id' card?

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End "corporate welfare." No government handouts to business.
Yes, I agree but how is that going to happen when both parties are essentially subservient to the big banks and lobbyists?

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End government barriers to international free trade.
You mean no barriers and just have TPP? How is that a good thing?

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Let people control their own retirement; privatize Social Security.
Didn't W wanna do that? People don't control their retirements anyways, the big banks do when they use it to gamble on - its not their money they are playing with anyways.

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Replace government welfare with private charity.
You mean like the Clinton Foundation? How much did that foundation even give to Haiti from the earthquake a few years back I wonder....

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Cut taxes and government spending by 50% or more.
A bit broad don't you think? How about cut spending on the military complex, clamp down on campaign contributions and lobbyists - divert taxws to more suitable projects perhaps.

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Ok answered it - according to the site I am a Libertarian.

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Old 11-27-2016, 11:00 AM   #6
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Unfortunately, there is a reason why, since the beginning of human history, we humans constructed "nations," and put borders around those nations. We imposed restrictions as to who could and who could not cross those borders, whether or not we fortified them. We built governments, and self-sufficient domestic economies (at least, as the supply of natural materials would permit).

Basically until the American Civil War (turned ugly ...), we did not have direct taxation: governments taxed, and regulated, businesses. Corporations did not have the legal rights of individuals: they were chartered fictions of the state.

Government was seen, both to constrain the actions of business (to force them to provide for the commoner instead of strictly their shareholders), and to provide for the "commonwealth." Gen. Dwight D. Eisenhower used government to create the Interstate Highway System, and upon leaving office he referred to "fine, well-equipped hospitals," which every community could enjoy, and could go into!

You should not wish for this dystopian thing called "free international trade," nor should you wish for your Federal government to become a self-made pauper and to reverse its present commitments, e.g. to the aged, unless you wish to become a pauper, yourself.

After all, after sucking this nation dry, and proving once and for all to the world community that there never actually was anything of value nor stature to this "upstart crow" that briefly materialized in North America, these people would simply continue to profit by pillaging somewhere else. (Or, maybe it would be time to start changing the face of the USA's map, as Ambassador Zimmermann once proposed. If sufficiently eviscerated and for a long enough time, the USA would no longer possess the military capability to resist invasion. Don't overestimate the power of your vaunted battle fleets, especially from armed conflict that was started from within, by the enemies you freely admitted through your gates because e.g. they promised to work for less. Don't underestimate your enemy's diabolical creativity and his ability to exploit you if you let him: "the collapse of the third building on 9/11" should have taught you that much.)

If you don't understand what you have ... if you do not value and support what you have (and in more than just "military" ways) ... you will one day lose it. You will lose everything. And, you will be the laughingstock of people who once respected you.

Humans created and maintained "nations" for one very simple reason: for survival. (And, because it fundamentally was a very good idea.) Documents such as the US Constitution, specifically in its preamble, speak of a goal to ensure "domestic tranquility" and "prosperity." Prosperity does not come from saying the kinds of things that the Ghost of Christmas Present chastised Ebenezer Scrooge for saying. Instead, it comes from the lesson that he learned.

Prosperity is not a rising tide that drowns the self-styled "less fortunate." It is a rising tide that lifts all boats ... that lifts boats that must be built and then maintained. And the first lake in which they float, whether or not that lake joins a global sea, is called "a Nation."

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