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Was worried about being attacked through the browser, felt I needed a thing that would asses sites for viruses or whatever. So I installed WOT. Gradually became disquieted, it seemed *political*, it blocked sites antipathetic to the master race. So is this link true?: http://mywotscam.com/wotscam/
Maybe the link is a scam trying to suck people in?
I can say I use WOT and am generally happy with it.
Since you're site came up untrusted in WOT there's a couple of reasons I could see:
WOT blocked it simply because they don't like criticism as you seem to be implying.
--OR--
It IS an attack site that WOT has blocked reasonably based on ratings and it was specifically created to try to get people to override their WOT settings to overcome a bogus "conspiracy" by an the not so "sinister" WOT.
Since I am free to do whatever I want and am happy with WOT I'm more inclined to think the latter than the former so did NOT override WOT to see what the link had to say.
Sorry, I'm always a bit thick, but do you mean WOT blocked the link I gave? If so here it is:
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Esa Suurio - MyWOT is a Scam
MyWot Scam, Web of Trust Scam
MyWOT’s Latest Extortion Scheme
October 7th, 2009
Recently on the MyWOT blog, a new program was announced to “…earn some income.” It involves “allowing” websites that have earned a good rating with MyWOT’s community of users to place a shield on their site indicating such.
Although reputable services like the BBB already offer such a service with accreditation, MyWOT is undoubtedly going to use this as a way to extort businesses. Whereas the BBB is upfront with how they accredit businesses and use a fair, open and responsible system to examine companies, MyWOT simply pawns off the responsibility on users and can therefore easily manipulate its ratings. So if a company doesn’t want to pay, they get a poor rating. If they do pay, they get a nice shiny shield on their site. If anyone questions the poor rating, MyWOT simply says it’s because their “users” rated it poorly on their own.
It’s quite the racket.
Tags: Extortion, fraud, mywot, myWOT.com, scam
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MyWOT Elaborate Scheme to Defraud Millions out of Millions
August 3rd, 2009
When launched in 2006 by Timo Ala-Kleemola and Sami Tolvanen, few people could have seen the scam the website mywot.com (Web of Trust) would eventually become although the roots for the scheme were firmly laid back then. With one singular goal in mind, Timo and Sami set out to be the next dot com billionaires - they wanted money and didn’t care who they hurt to get it.
From the get-go Timo and Sami designed their system to be the perfect stealth spyware. It was spyware people would gladly invite into their homes, and continue to willingly feed it personal information because it would be disguised as “scam detection software”. They had seen enough movies to realize that the best con games convince the person to willingly give up their money rather than deceitfully take it.
They concocted a scheme by which users would “rate” websites as either good or bad. The rating would then be transmitted back to Timo and Sami’s servers and users wouldn’t think anything is wrong with that - after all they chose to send the information. Trick is that piggybacking along with the rating would be data scraped from the user’s hard drive. They had dreamed up the perfect scam.
So Timo and Sami set off to design their spyware and ironically dub it the “Web of Trust”. The programming was the easy part, it was more difficult to hatch a process that would keep people coming back to the site again and again, continually feeding Timo and Sami their passwords, banking information, and browsing habits.
That’s when they invented the “reputation system”. The more sites a user rates, the higher their reputation goes, which fills the user with a sense of self importance and a desire to rate more sites and raise their reputation even higher. It keeps them coming back and sending up to the minute information from the user. It’s an ingenious scam to continually milk the same user over and over.
Timo and Sami launch the site in 2006 and rope in their first marks, making a fair amount of money, but not in the amounts they initially hoped for; not to mention they don’t have the connections to sell a lot of the information they’re amassing. That’s when “serial entrepreneur” Esa Suurio enters the company with new avenues and a rolodex full of contacts for Timo and Sami to exploit.
When Esa came on board the program had reached a certain level of popularity where many companies were starting to feel the pinch and began contacting the Web of Trust offices about removing the harmful information from their website. It was at this juncture that Timo, Sami and Esa realized they had discovered a whole new revenue stream.
The group would then charge companies large sums of money to remove negative ratings and posts from their message board. So long as they had millions of users everyday posting negative comments and dolling out bad reviews like candy, they would have an endless stream of revenue - especially if they charge for each instance that needs removal.
Of course all of this would continually need to be done under the cloak of legitimacy. Magazine articles would be lined up with top computer publications touting the “safety” and “protection” offered by the Web of Trust. Like a good pick-pocket they were distracting people on the left while robbing them on the right. The reporters believed the company’s legitimacy because the operations they were shown were, in fact, on the up and up. That’s the beauty of the system. It doesn’t matter that there’s all types of unethical and illegal activity going on in the back office so long as the front office looks clean and spiffy.
The scam continues today, although cracks are starting to show. Recently CEO Esa Suurio announced he was ditching the company, leaving them holding the bag. It’s just become too obvious that the company should not still be afloat without an obvious revenue stream, and Esa is probably worried that he’ll be indicted - so it’s best to cut and run now.
That leaves original founders Timo Ala-Kleemola and Sami Tolvanen as the sole originating conspirators. Although it’s entirely possible they too will soon leave to deflect their own culpability in the matter.
Tags: deception, fraud, mywot, scam, scheme, web of trust
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MyWOT MLM Scam Peddlers
August 3rd, 2009
It seems MyWOT has its fingers in many pots. One such pot is a Pyramid Scam. Don’t believe me, you can see for yourself. Go to the MyWOT home page and look in the lower right hand corner (I took screengrabs in case they decided to remove the evidence). There you’ll see a section for “Friends of WOT”. Go to it.
And when you scroll down you’ll see a link to “Cyberhood Watch”
Anyway, you follow that link to the Cyberhood Watch Blog and you see a site that purportedly is interested in protecting people from the “dangers” of the internet. However, if you click on the “Home Page” link in the navigation bar you see the site’s real intention:
Yep, that’s right. A crappy sales pitch for a “work at home” business which everyone knows is code for scam. And if you look to the top, you’ll see:
That’s right, you don’t need your eyes checked, it says MLM (Multi-Level Marketing) Success. MLM is code for pyramid. When you go to look at the site to get into what this successful work from home business is, you’ll need an interpreter who speaks marketing gibberish to understand it. The best we can tell is that if you sign up for the program they’ll teach you to leverage, duplicate and then earn profit. (It kind of reminds us of the underpants gnomes from South Park and their three phase plan - Phase 1: collect underpants. Phase 2: ??? Phase 3: profit. )
If you examine the URLS associated it’s easy to see that the “Cyberhood Watch” site is just a front the marketing scheme. The URL for the “Cyberhood Watch” is http://netwebmarketer.com/db/wordpress/. They’re not even trying to hide it. Their URL is part of the NetWeb Marketing ring of scam sites.
This is just further proof that MyWOT is run by a bunch of scammers who are posing as Internet watchdogs who really want to rip you off by signing you up for another useless pyramid scam.
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MyWOT Scam, Web of Trust Scam, Esa Suurio
August 3rd, 2008
Hello all. If you’re here then you’re probably wondering a bit more about the MyWOT software. You prolly noticed that you just can’t rate sites on the MyWOT directly, you have to download the software. THen that software embeds itself into your browser. You prolly got suspicious about that. You prolly wondered why that was. You want to stay safe on the internet, but you wondered why to do it you had to give everything over to some guy in Finland.
YOU WERE RIGHT TO BE SO SUSPICIOUS!
MyWOT.com and its head CEO Esa Suurio is ripping people off of their most precious commodity - their identity. Each and everyday his unsuspecting followers use the internet, his leech program sends back all of that information back to the mother ship. Every website they visit, every form they fill out, every password they type in. It’s like spyware. And he needs to be brought down.
The truth is just starting to come out now about this organization. As new information is learned I’ll be posting it here. For the time been here’s a few of the first reports - the first shots in this war!
Go ahead and share your experiences like this. The only way to root out the truth is thru strength in numbers.
Tags: mywot, scam, web of trust
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WOT, web of trust, is not blocking it on my computer.
The context in which I asked was AIDS denialist sites which WOT almost always blocks. Ditto other power unfriendly stuff such as nine eleven.
I can't tell, but as WoT doesn't block sites, but issues a reminder that some sites are doubtful, and others less so, I will keep on using in the same way for the moment; in other words, for advice. However, thanks to this thread, I am now primed to possible bad behaviour on the part of WoT, and if enough confirmatory evidence turns up (and the text you quote is more like a mild rant, rather than evidence, per se), I'll probably stop using it.
Also, I note that what is being alleged is that WoT is now extorting from web site owners and operators, not that it, if installed, does any damage to the end-user computer. They allege that it started 'data scraping' and they leave it unclear whether this has continued (and if it has, that should be relatively easy to detect, and for which it should be relatively easy to give unambiguous evidence...and there is nothing there that could be reasonably described as evidence of what they allege, although the bit about a 'work at home' scheme could be confirmed, but that isn't really evidence of anything other than character), but they stop short of directly alleging that it still goes on.
I don't want to say that I don't care about the interests of the website operators, but I do find it a bit difficult to believe that WoT has successfully extorted from all of the non-disapproved sites, without a squeak of complaint from them, because that includes pretty much all of the web's big hitters. And surely those big hitters would have complained, wouldn't they?
And surely those big hitters would have complained, wouldn't they?
Don't see that. Maybe they just keep quite to avoid embarrassment; also where would we have read their comments?
"as WoT doesn't block sites, but issues a reminder that some sites are doubtful," Nevertheless the casual surfer will move on.
"They allege that it started 'data scraping' and they leave it unclear whether this has continued (and if it has, that should be relatively easy to detect," Yes and they also put spying stuff on your computer, is alleged. Is it possible to say how this would be detected? I have uninstalled WOT and put in TrafficLight instead, but don't know what I'm doing.
If this mean the only thing that it can mean, then have another look at the rules.
Eh? By the standards of you Americans, I assume only an American could have posted that, I am slightly to the left of Lenin on steroids. Look at my signature.
Maybe the link is a scam trying to suck people in?
I can say I use WOT and am generally happy with it.
Since you're site came up untrusted in WOT there's a couple of reasons I could see:
WOT blocked it simply because they don't like criticism as you seem to be implying.
--OR--
It IS an attack site that WOT has blocked reasonably based on ratings and it was specifically created to try to get people to override their WOT settings to overcome a bogus "conspiracy" by an the not so "sinister" WOT.
Since I am free to do whatever I want and am happy with WOT I'm more inclined to think the latter than the former so did NOT override WOT to see what the link had to say.
If I might ask, why would anyone rely on user ratings to determine whether or not a site is safe to visit? Those genius users won't even know that a site is unsafe until they are pwned, and maybe not even then. Circumvent this whole issue and implement technical solutions to the problem, like noscript for blocking unapproved Javascript, and virus scanner integration for checking material you are downloading.
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Eh? By the standards of you Americans, I assume only an American could have posted that, I am slightly to the left of Lenin on steroids. Look at my signature.
That's very handy to know. Since I write, am from exclusively peasant stock, and occasionally have an original thought, I will have to guard against your purges and / or repression. Stalin was also like Lenin on drugs.
If I might ask, why would anyone rely on user ratings to determine whether or not a site is safe to visit? Those genius users won't even know that a site is unsafe until they are pwned, and maybe not even then. Circumvent this whole issue and implement technical solutions to the problem, like noscript for blocking unapproved Javascript, and virus scanner integration for checking material you are downloading.
My guess is anyone who has WOT also does have other technical solutions in place. WOT is good for knowing what sites not to visit in the first place. One benefit for example is that expert sexchange (excuse me experts exchange) comes up in yellow in Google searches so it helps me from accidentally clicking on one of their unhelpful links in a list of hits.
Since the thread is about WOT I'm not sure why you singled me out. You should have just quoted the OP as he was the one that brought up WOT in the first place and ratings is the whole point of WOT.
My guess is anyone who has WOT also does have other technical solutions in place. WOT is good for knowing what sites not to visit in the first place. One benefit for example is that expert sexchange (excuse me experts exchange) comes up in yellow in Google searches so it helps me from accidentally clicking on one of their unhelpful links in a list of hits.
Since the thread is about WOT I'm not sure why you singled me out. You should have just quoted the OP as he was the one that brought up WOT in the first place and ratings is the whole point of WOT.
Sorry, didn't mean to single you out. Sometimes I hit the "quote" button just out of habit. Normally I don't try to distract a thread from its original question. However, since the OP asked a question about possible bias in the ratings system, it seemed relevant to ask why one should depend on the mechanism in the first place, which is inherently based on biased user ratings.
Anyway, since I don't use WOT and don't plan on it, I think I'll unsubscribe from this thread.
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